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JSTOCK

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Poker Stars $20+$5+$2 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t125/t250 Blinds + t30 - 9 players - View hand 1759619
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SB: t11045 M = 17.12
BB: t12779 M = 19.81
Hero (UTG): t22347 M = 34.65
UTG+1: t10554 M = 16.36
UTG+2: t2905 M = 4.50
MP1: t4789 M = 7.42
MP2: t9016 M = 13.98
CO: t8163 M = 12.66
BTN: t22570 M = 34.99

Pre Flop: (t645) Hero is UTG with 6 Club 6 Heart
Hero raises to t600, 3 folds, MP2 calls t600, 4 folds

Flop: (t1845) 6 Diamond 8 Club 9 Club (2 players)
Hero bets t1000, MP2 calls t1000

Turn: (t3845) 2 Heart (2 players)
Hero bets t2350, MP2 calls t2350

River: (t8545) T Club (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t3250, Hero folds

Final Pot: t8545
MP2 wins t8545


At a complete loss. I can't see any hand that gets to the river that doesn't beat me. Literally lost a time bank on this hand. Thoughts?

Posted about 1 year ago

JSTOCK

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6k out of 18k players left btw. top 2250 pay. seen this guy play a wide range pre and double barrel out of position with overs and give on the river, but thats about it.

Posted about 1 year ago

Schweig

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Seems like you aren't actually at a loss really. You nailed a good reason to fold, so it seems like you just don't want to fold.

Posted about 1 year ago

snarble5

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JSTOCK

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Poker Stars $20+$5+$2 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t500/t1000 Blinds + t125 - 9 players - View hand 1759755
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MP1: t52014 M = 19.81
MP2: t27470 M = 10.46
CO: t68359 M = 26.04
BTN: t103694 M = 39.50
SB: t16990 M = 6.47
BB: t70568 M = 26.88
UTG: t126658 M = 48.25
Hero (UTG+1): t69864 M = 26.61
UTG+2: t16224 M = 6.18

Pre Flop: (t2625) Hero is UTG+1 with J Club T Club
1 fold, Hero raises to t2500, 4 folds, BTN calls t2500, 1 fold, BB calls t1500

Flop: (t9125) 5 Spade 7 Club J Spade (3 players)
BB bets t6000, Hero raises to t15000, BTN folds, BB raises to t28000, Hero folds

Final Pot: t39125
BB wins t39125

Fold or shove? 3/4 pot donk bet followed by a 3bet looks like a weird two pair, trips, or a monster draw. How funny can the guy really get here? unless he flatted qq+ trying to be funny. Should I have flatted his lead bet on the flop?

When the guy busted in the aforementioned hand, he said he caught with A7. Interesting to chase with almost half your stack and not even have 8 true outs if I happen to be drawing to a flush

Posted about 1 year ago

BaseMetal

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In the 66 hand you only need 21% to make the call chip break even, you haven't given any reads but I could see a range like (TT-66,AcQc,AcJc,A9s,A7s,KcQc,KcJc,K9s,QcJc,JTs) present at the river.
You are beating enough, you have 27% equity and losing the extra 3250 won't hurt you much more. Also the AQc and TT hands would quite likely have raised preflop so can be discounted - I think I have been pretty mean to your hand. There aren't that many flush draws present due to AKs being likely to raise pre and the others are blocked because the medium ranked cards 8, 9 and T Club are present. Hands like T9s or AT could easily be present, you are probably well behind but not as low as 21% equity.

edit: I guess I should remove the A9s and K9s hands, not likely to bet the river, although re-adding in the T9 hands would bring the equity back up

Posted about 1 year ago

Schweig

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Any hand worse than a set is very unlikely to bet this 4 straight, 3 flush river in a tournament, even T9.

Posted about 1 year ago

Top_Chesney

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Is pre a clear open?


most definitely

Any hand worse than a set is very unlikely to bet this 4 straight, 3 flush river in a tournament, even T9.



seriously? I can think several worse hands might bet for value + hand combos that have no showdown value and have little choice but to fire here. By checking it to him on the river here, we're maximizing his bluffing frequency, and this check OTR looks incredibly weak to me given the action/board texture...I sometimes use a similar line in spots where I'm looking to induce bluffs. Not saying that we're always good here, but we really ought to be throwing out some sort of blocking bet here if we aren't prepared to check/call river.

Posted about 1 year ago

rrumsey

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Is pre a clear open?


yes in antes imo

Posted about 1 year ago

Top_Chesney

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yes in antes imo


clear open even pre ante w/80bb.
Effective stacks are fairly deep at the table, the exceptions being MP1, and shortie UTG2 that we'll snap off ez

Posted about 1 year ago

rrumsey

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clear open even pre ante w/80bb.
Effective stacks are fairly deep at the table, the exceptions being MP1, and shortie UTG2 that we'll snap off ez


depends on the table and who is in CO and BTN

Posted about 1 year ago

Top_Chesney

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depends on the table and who is in CO and BTN


hmm kk...and the factors?

Posted about 1 year ago

JSTOCK

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Not saying that we're always good here, but we really ought to be throwing out some sort of blocking bet here if we aren't prepared to check/call river



I'm a fan of blocking bets, but what kind of blocking bet can you throw here? He has roughly half his stack in an 8545 pot. Odds for a check call with bottom set are already favorable as BaseMetal has shown. Committing even more chips on a blocking bet with so few chips behind practically demands a weak river call when he shoves.

Posted about 1 year ago

Top_Chesney

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I'm a fan of blocking bets, but what kind of blocking bet can you throw here? He has roughly half his stack in an 8545 pot. Odds for a check call with bottom set are already favorable as BaseMetal has shown. Committing even more chips on a blocking bet with so few chips behind practically demands a weak river call when he shoves.



Yah.. I can't get this HH to jive with my re player atm.. Didn't realize how little was left behind OTR. Try to consider these potential situation on earlier streets. I would have bet smaller OTF and smaller OTT, looking to set up a pot size shove or call. Def don't need to bet so much OTT man, like 1600-1775(i'm guessing because im too lazy to re instal my replayer now).
Set your plan up on the flop... it doesn't always pan out plans are aborted.. but i dunno what to do on this river, I rarely get myself stuck in such spots. Avoiding stack size dilemmas in these spots is def one of my strongest skills at the table.

Posted about 1 year ago




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