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A question I've been interested in lately is what different player types open on the button at various stack depths. The 3 player types I've been thinking about are ABC regs, good regs, laggy players.
What do you think these player types 2x opens from button post ante (10% antes) with these effective stack sizes?
>15bb
16-25bb
25-35bb
36-50bb
50bb+

I think the 15 bb all player types wiil be opening a tight range 2x except for possibly the LAG. IDK FOLLOWING.

I'd love to help on this but it seems just too wide a question.
Would the Hold'em Vision app from HEM be useful for these?

I think it has more to do with how loose or tight the blinds are and what stage the tournament is in.

I'd love to help on this but it seems just too wide a question.
Would the Hold'em Vision app from HEM be useful for these?

It's meant to be a really wide question. I'm going to investigate the holdem vision app a bit.

It's meant to be a really wide question. I'm going to investigate the holdem vision app a bit.

I'm also checking it out - I don't think I can see how to filter for the number of BBs, only the chip value of the blinds.
At least you can take your own hands out of the ranges by the exclusions, and I suppose you could put in a comma separated list of known ABC's and known good regs etc. to narrow it as required

I think I could write a Python script with SQL to do this more flexibly but the HEM db tables seem really weird to me - I've tried a few times before and got stymied by trying to understand what the tables entries actually really mean. This is an advantage of PT as the tables are quite clear and there is plenty of easily understood documation on it.

I can't say that I'm particularly familiar with the HEM database schema (I probably should get to know it but haven't got around to it yet..) perhaps you could export from hem and import into pokertracker?

btw I PMed you

A question I've been interested in lately is what different player types open on the button at various stack depths. The 3 player types I've been thinking about are ABC regs, good regs, laggy players.
What do you think these player types 2x opens from button post ante (10% antes) with these effective stack sizes?
>15bb

its tough to clump people into these exact bins but ill do my best. For shortness sake lets go: type A(ABC REG) type B (good winning reg) type C (loose maybe reg fish overly aggro)

for this stack, a min from type A and B is almost certainly a massive value induce. it depends clearly on how close to levels changing and the blinds effective stacks ( as all of these do clearly but lets just generalize that point) idk how they are pure stealing any big % the time.

type c may be even heavier inducing or having really trashy hands. I think thats slightly more polarized but still pretty induce heavy. Even people trying to figure out their way in tournies generally know their short stack push ranges ( or at least have some basic ideas from forums, friends, vids ect).

this makes for some discussion if we are in the SB with a blocker of some sort and we think the BB is very tight ( long with us hopefully having a tight image). If we have a somewhat decent stack against type c players we may have to keep a decent reshove range still if we see things we precieve could lead this type of player to get greedy. This is something i dont expect learning backed players ( ABC regs) or good regs to mess up too much without a dynamic. reshove stacks is something so heavily talked about i just dont see it as something they leak too much.

16-25bb

The upper end of this range gets really interesting. I think its all over the place. ABC's could have atc, good regs could have atc, bad regs could have ATC. i think the more interesting dynamic here is how each reacts differently to a reshove from either the SB or the BB. we may need a new post or something to address this. would love to hash it out some, im bad but think i have some former experience to draw on

25-35bb

i think Abc players in this range are mega exploitable. We mostly have a stack we can actually resteal without shoving here. That makes it a perfect place to exploit the tight calling ranges they will have( if they actually have any calling range even IP they probably just 4 bet jam for value and fold the rest of their range, only a few decent but not great value hands probably call from abc players) dont forget ABC regs are just usually playing the play book their backers tell them to play imo. I should know i was one for a while.

Good regs may be able to pick up on what your doing. pick your battle carefully here. but you needs to do it some of the time imo

bad regs are actually tough imo. Why i am worried is we are trying to predict a response from someone who is probably somewhat unpredictable. My view of these types of players is they do things overly aggro sometimes with no real rythm or reason. I think its a range that can use to exploit them but i think it's very player specific imo.

36-50bb
50bb+

i think these ranges are somewhat similar. Everyone is probably most in normal play mode and are doing things somewhat standardly on most levels. Clearly type c is going to be more out of line then the others but it should be normal game play here imo


what are your thoughts shuttle?

oh and sorry to slightly derail this from what the ranges would be to where i think they will make mistakes, i assume that it was the natural progression of why you would be concerned with the ranges. hope you didn't mind and would want to stay down that path