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Real Life 180-man Grinder: Episode Three

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Real Life 180-man Grinder: Episode Three by OMGClayDol

OMGClayDol and friend continue their discussion on John's play over the last week or so with results and HH review.

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Adding to the Real Life family of series OMGClayDol talks about the development of 180-man grinders, focusing on how players can improve regardless of their current skill level and results. He will be working throughout the series with a fellow Deucescracked member on his game, discussing concepts and gameplay that can seperate small winners from big winners in addition to the usual hand history reviews and some live play.

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  • Game: mttsng
  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 83 minutes long
  • Posted over 1 year ago

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imjubei2

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Also I have really no idea how to use EdgeC in sng wizard, could you explain it please in your further video? Wink

Posted over 1 year ago

OMGClayDol

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Oh that hand, well SB and BB can occasionally overcall with better hands (esp higher pairs) and that significantly reduces our equity.. That is why we can call in the BB with 22 (even ignoring the discount of the BB) but we shoudn't really iso 22. I do coach add omgclaydol on skype if you are interested.

Will talk about cEV shortly, could type it but I'll put it in next vid so everyone can see

Posted over 1 year ago

suitedaces1701

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I don't really remember the top 0.56% much because I watched it like 6 months ago. But I do know that I wasn't really making money back then and I had a nice little 40% ROI $30/hour heater yesterday at the $2.50 after watching the first 2 episodes Smile
And I do like how you go more in depth with pokerstove. I'm used to looking it up in SNG wizard (mark the hands that I'm not sure of and "analyze in SNG wizard") just to know the ranges I should be calling/pushing with without really knowing why or the math behind it.

Good series!

Posted over 1 year ago

OMGClayDol

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BaseMetal

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Hi Rui,
I am coming to the 180s from experience in the STT arena and there have been many useful tips/spots in the vids so far. One of my needed adjustments is learning to call wider in the BB - in STTs there is usually a sizable ICM adjustment and I now have to develop a more chip ev call range. The J3s hand (time from about 7:30 'till late Wink ) is quite an interesting one. As you state a decent reg would easily be shoving 70%/80% or so from the Btn and you did notice this but started with saying "obviously a fold" then give a great explanation to the ranges and it is actually a call versus decent regs. J3s vs 70% range is about 42%, it is still a call against any half decent or loose player, it's about chip break even upto about a 50% range.
So this is the type of spot I think I need to get closer on, so thanks for the explanation. I think I will try a few SnGWiz quizzes as practice on these BB calls.

At 43:00 PokerStove was taking a long time to enumerate the results, at these points you can just switch to Monte Carlo mode and do a few million in a couple of secs, it gets close enough really fast, 2 or 3 secs should do, remember to hit stop sometime or it continues forever. It is still good to mutl-table stove though.

This looks like another great series - thanks.

Posted about 1 year ago

OMGClayDol

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Yeah there is a huge difference in 9-man calling ranges in the BB vs. 180-man calling ranges in the BB, mainly because of ICM (BTN shoves tighter, BB has to call tighter too) and antes later (BTN shoves wider due to more dead money, BB can call wider because it's cEV mostly, and because BTN is shoving a wider range, and because there is more dead money creating better pot odds)

Thanks for the positive feedback, appreciate it btw. Had no idea about Monte Carlo mode, what difference does it make?

Posted about 1 year ago

BaseMetal

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Thanks for the positive feedback, appreciate it btw. Had no idea about Monte Carlo mode, what difference does it make?


Instead of enumerating every possible combination and then calculating the chances of each the s/w just repeatidly randomly plays out cards and keeps track of the outcomes. This m-c way is not absolutely exact but within a few million it is just about perfect, you can see the % stabilise and this happens very very quickly ie, within 10 secs you are probably within 3 decimal places of the true result.

Posted about 1 year ago

aggrosquid

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Hi! Great Vid It really helped me. Simple question, I'm rolled for 2.50 180 mans and i've watched your videos and reviewed my sessions but i'm currently on a 20BI downswing. I feel for the most part i've been unlucky, busting AK>KQ and losing flips but should I consider this variance or should I stop playing and try to relearn the game. Was very confident in my game before this D/s but no cashes what so ever worries me.

Thanks
Squid

Posted about 1 year ago

OMGClayDol

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Hey a 20BI downswing is super super super standard (don't mean this in a rude way at all) and even 100BI+ downswings are beyond standard. Unless you meant 200? It really depends on what your sample size is and your general financial situation too, depending on if you should move up/take shots and such.

Posted about 1 year ago

aggrosquid

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No i meant a 20BI downswing. I have managed to hit an upswing now so all is good. Thanks for the response and for brilliant videos!

Posted about 1 year ago

CallMeBenjamin

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Time Link to 00:40:43

What does Nash say here to shove when your M=2?

Posted 7 months ago

CallMeBenjamin

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Time Link to 00:40:37

According to Nash you should only shove 31.5% so i think the shoving range you put those regs on is way to loose. I mean its a huge difference like 20% so its an important concept to get this right.
I see why you should push tighter since you will be looked up so often, but than again you might say that this is not the case and people are way to tight to call you in that spot as Nash is suggesting.

Posted 7 months ago

uglish

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sometiems nash ranges are so off cev or icm wise cause peopel calling ranges are usually much tighter than unexploitable ranges

Posted 7 months ago

CallMeBenjamin

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Time Link to 01:00:31

If he is folding that much (70%) you can easily 2.5x him with a wide range of hands when 20bb deep. Why not consider that line?

Posted 7 months ago

MattiDb

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Time Link to 00:54:22

we have like 15 bb
can you maybe do the cEV calculation here? (like we lose X percentage of time # BB, and and... and solution is + or - BB)
I understand the math behind al these calculations, have programs to do this. but I want to able to do i manually Smile but always missing something I think and dont get the right solutions. and having this calculation with the solution would be very helpfull

Posted 6 months ago




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