OMGClayDol continues reviewing hands from 180 man SNGs and specifically discusses some late stage and short stacked situations.
OMGClayDol teaches you how to beat the 180-man turbos on PokerStars. Topics include, but are not limited to: Multi-tabling, "Peak" times, Attainable ROIs, estimated hourly, differences between buy-in levels, Using software (HEM, Sharkscope/OPR etc), Bankroll Management, variance, etc.
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Hey, got a small question to stopn go plays. Do you really always call the flop against stopn go players in the blinds? Like if it were preflop 7BBs and you minraised, would you really call everything, also a hand like 98s or Tc9c on a AhKh7h board? I think in this case, you were already to far behind his stopn go range to call or how do you think about it? I think the lowest suited connectors of your range can sometimes be a fold, Ace high for sure never.
On the other side, how do you play against unknown, if you hit like Qc9h5s flop with pocket fives, do you still push or prefere, to slowplay, because most unknowns wouldnt know, that you tried to play a stopn go and cause of this would think, they can push the flop to get you to fold.
What do you think about this thoughts, do you think they can give you a little extra edge out of stopn go plays?
hey correct me if im wrong please cause im not sure i understand this concept correctly... wouldnt it be marginally correct to call in this spot. there is 4540 in the pot when he shoves and we have 3240 left therefor our 3240 would be making up 41% of the pot meaning we need more than 41% equity to make the call profitably. with 93s we have like43% equity against ATC shoving range from SB.. i hope i did this right
Yeah I mean if he is shoving atc it's probably a call, if he shoves for e.g. 80% it's not, I also don't really wanna call 100% cEV since I think my stack is worth more than the average player in the tournament (skill edge). Calling is probably fine/a little better than break-even but I prefer to fold slightly, unless I've seen him shove like 82o or something vs me.
do you think you could explain chip EV (cEV) briefly so i could understand it better and how it differs from standard EV.. or possibly just point me in the direction to find out its meaning in better depth.. also i understand that because its likely such a small edge like possible only 0.001+EV that we can pass on it to lower our varience and allow our skill edge to have more of an effect..
thanks heaps for answering my basic questions i really apreciate it and im sure i will have heaps more for you in the future.
cEV is expected value in terms of number of chips.
EV/$EV is expected value in terms of actual real money, so for example on a final table if the stacks are:
SB = 500K BB = 1M
10 Million chips
10 Million chips
100 chips folds on the BTN
10 Million chips shoves all in with 2d2h and for some reason we see his hand, we have AsKs in the BB, we should fold even though calling is +cEV (if we fold we have 900K left, if we call we have an expected value of 1M chips), it's actual -EV$, we expect to lose money in the long run by calling here, the reason is the chips we gain are worth so much less than the chips we lose due to the pay structure/ICM
wonder if you can give a comment to this spot. thought a lot about it. would y say it is a shove or fold? was 2,5turbo 180man.
lots of fish @the table
Poker Stars $2.28+$0.22 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t500/t1000 Blinds + t100 - 7 players - View hand 1853673
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CO: t6442 M = 2.93
BTN: t8060 M = 3.66
SB: t10557 M = 4.80
BB: t2340 M = 1.06
Hero (UTG): t8112 M = 3.69
UTG+1: t13917 M = 6.33
MP: t19848 M = 9.02
Pre Flop: (t2200) Hero is UTG with K T
1,) thank you very much. descision does not depend wether its @ final table or not, right?
2.) how many buy ins would you recommend for those 180men turbos? in terms of bankrollmanagement. 100-150? or even more? since you said @ the videos its very swingy.
3.) from what buy in would you say, you recognize the most regs on? in your experience. 8$ already full of them? or still enough fish for me to eat ?
It definitely does, shove tighter on the FT because of ICM
At least 150 probably, if you can afford to re-deposit or move down in stakes (you can't really move down if you play 2.50s already) then you can be more aggressive, the better you are the more aggressive too.But if you want to be really safe, and don't have a huge edge, even something like 300 is pretty reasonable.
Games are tougher now, probably quite a lot of regs $8 and $15. $35 not as many 180 regs but a lot of good MTT players mix them with their MTTs
thank you very much!
since I was pretty much a cash game player so far, where can I learn about ICM @the easiest way? is there a certain video you recommend?
also what is the next shot you recommend after the 2,5$ ? would the 8$ be too hard since of the amount of regs there? better to take a shot at the 3,5$ rebuys first?
unfortunately there is only 2,5$ - 8$ - 15$ + (plus the 3,5R)
Not in particular but watching the rest of my vids should help a bit (especially the second series and the last episodes of this first series).
Then you should have a fairly decent idea about how to use SNG Wiz.
After 2.5 I would say 3r should be better than 8 as they have lower variance due to bigger edges since your stacks are deeper. But you should be a bit comfortable with deeper stacks, postflop etc as you will get into those spots more often.
1st series : the top 0.56percent
2nd series : 180 man grinder
right? or vice versa?`
would you say that SNG wiz is a must have for 180man grinders? saying that it is essential.
going to use 150BI for the 180mans.
for the 3$r I will calculate the buy in @ 6,5$, or should I prob calculate more since it is better to do a double rebuy sometimes? if yes, at what point you dont do the double rebuy anymore (3k chips)? isnt it better instead of rebuying double again just to start a new one with double rebuy so you have even chances?
0.56 is first.
No it's not absolutely necessarily but almost definitely will be useful and help you learn a lot especially if you use it correctly. There is a free trial for 90 days I believe.
Gl. I would recommend always rebuy/addin on so the avg buy-in is more like $11.