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$5+.50 tournament, 9 players
Blinds 20/40

It's early in the tournament, I have little to no information on the villain. I have 1500, villain has 1060 chips. I'm holding KhKd UTG+1. I open-raise to 140. Only the cut-off calls.
Flop 3c5d3d
I lead out for half of the pot (170), get called fairly quickly.
Turn Jc
I lead out for half of the pot (340), get quickly called.
River 10c
I put him all-in for his last 410, he calls and tables Ac2c for the nut flush.

After evaluation, I think my approach is right here. My questions are if my betting amounts could be better to win the hand here (or if I even want him to fold with this type of hand) and if there is any way for me to save money on the river play. I put him on 2 diamonds, so I believed I was ahead the entire time.

Not sure much is different do you mean like perhaps potting or betting 3/4 pot at the turn? Someone who is willing to draw with A high will tend to draw no matter what at those levels. You could have very well potted at flop & he might STILL have drawn. Think of it he called a 3 1/2bb raise with A2s. Not sure anything would have changed the outcome but I think 3/4 from the start/flop.

Any thoughts on leading out on the river?

The river would be too late, perhaps the TURN should have been higher. I was discussing this hand with my wife over dinner a while ago & the deal we were discussing is the guy called your pre flop raise with crap basically. Now if you were playing perhaps a higher buy in or playing that buy in with THINKING players that situation would not have happened in the first place. But seeing this guy called & not only that but you mentioned he QUICKLY called it simply means he wasn't "thinking" at least not strategically. In other words you are wondering if you're bet sizing is wrong however with this guy it wouldn't matter whether you had potted at flop or TURN. I think if anything it would be the TURN where I would have bet 3/4 or 2/3 but then again he probably would have called regardless.
Not sure if it makes any sense, but I hope you see where I'm coming from.

Hey guys,

Vert is a RL friend of mine, we were discussing whether or not leading out is profitable considering that not much that is losing to him is calling for the last 410 of their chips. Then again I think we liked leading out as a blocking type bet rather than check/calling since we would be calling for sure anyway. We also went over getting more value per street. I thought it was a pretty good hand to discuss so I suggested he make an account here and post some hands.

I thought it was a good hand for discussion as well. LIke I said me & my wife pretty much spent dinner discussing that hand.

Totaly agree with pancho.
You came across an non thinking player who can only see his 2 cards.
Start from the top.

Your utg+1 pre flop raise of 7x the bb is enough to tell a thinking player you like your hand.

A thinking player would put you at the very top of your range
A fish will see his ace suited.

On the flop your bet sizing makes no difference, the fish picked up a gut straight draw and runner runner flush draw, thats more than enough to continue.
He has still given no thought to what you "might" have.

The turn there was no way he was giving up
And the river sealed the deal.

I have played about 600 of the $5 on stars and see this a lot.
Your read that he has diamonds was not an unreasonable one and you should pat yourself on the back for thinking that way.
If its any consolation i am not usualy getting away from kings on this board at these levels either.

Its possible i would have made a pot sized bet on the flop
And shipped it in on the turn
But to be honest i dont think the outcome would have changed, i think he was in for the long haul.

nh, gg

Totaly agree with pancho.
You came across an non thinking player who can only see his 2 cards.
Start from the top.

Your utg+1 pre flop raise of 7x the bb is enough to tell a thinking player you like your hand.

A thinking player would put you at the very top of your range
A fish will see his ace suited.

On the flop your bet sizing makes no difference, the fish picked up a gut straight draw and runner runner flush draw, thats more than enough to continue.
He has still given no thought to what you "might" have.

The turn there was no way he was giving up
And the river sealed the deal.

I have played about 600 of the $5 on stars and see this a lot.
Your read that he has diamonds was not an unreasonable one and you should pat yourself on the back for thinking that way.
If its any consolation i am not usualy getting away from kings on this board at these levels either.

Its possible i would have made a pot sized bet on the flop
And shipped it in on the turn
But to be honest i dont think the outcome would have changed, i think he was in for the long haul.

nh, gg

Dang! You stated that so much better than me. But that's it in a nutshell.

Thanks for all of the input here guys. You've basically cemented that my thinking and subsequent actions during the hand were the right approach.