skJacob
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bones
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On the left table calling a shove here w/ A4o would be absolutely terrible no matter his shoving range. To justify a reshove he'd have to be raise/folding a ton, which isn't very likely in my opinion. I'm very surprised bones thinks this is so close.
Yeah, it's not a call and didn't mean to give the impression that it was super close or anything.
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trelski
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1:01:40 -> fold AQ in BB with 7.5BBs to SB push?? to make that call not profitable his range would have to be (AK, QQ+). and i think even a somewhat tight range for him (since he is a regular trying to win) would be (A8+,KJ+,22+). its deffinetly a leak in one of our games but im not convinced its mine.
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urinpain
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1:01:40 -> fold AQ in BB with 7.5BBs to SB push?? to make that call not profitable his range would have to be (AK, QQ+). and i think even a somewhat tight range for him (since he is a regular trying to win) would be (A8+,KJ+,22+). its deffinetly a leak in one of our games but im not convinced its mine.
erm... Even if he is shoving ATC here, we have to fold AQo! Just because of the fact that we are in a prretty good shape and there are two very short guys left at the table, which means our TEQ is really high atm and we don't wann risk getting busted by calling here.
We have to fold AK (suited or not) as well, no matter what his shoving-range look like.
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PanchoStern
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Great video. Really good questions Pancho, you asked a couple things I was wondering about.
Thanks. I was hoping to play & have Bones sweat me, but since I play at Bodog it was dead (no games for me to play) at the time. I'm glad the questions I asked were of help to others. I figured I'm not alone in trying to continue to move up the buy ins.
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TheDude
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smrz
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Pancho,
I was wondering if you would share how you do ICM analysis on your Bodog games.
Are you just manually entering hands?
I just sent over a handgrabber game to SNGwiz and they are taking a look to see if it has all the relevant info needed for analysis. When they looked at it last (~18 months ago) it was missing some key info.
Too bad about not being able to get some Bodog specific feedback. The push fold strategy covered in many of the other videos is not as helpful when you get down to bubble play, and the average VPIP of the three remaining people is greater than 40%.
"Spite" calls are more common from other players than pushing on the button in the late game. And sometimes the monsters are not there to value bet them.
Thanks again, and try to keep those "Getting Bodoged"s to a minimum.
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BatakQueen
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Pancho,
I was wondering if you would share how you do ICM analysis on your Bodog games.
Are you just manually entering hands?
I just sent over a handgrabber game to SNGwiz and they are taking a look to see if it has all the relevant info needed for analysis. When they looked at it last (~18 months ago) it was missing some key info.
Too bad about not being able to get some Bodog specific feedback. The push fold strategy covered in many of the other videos is not as helpful when you get down to bubble play, and the average VPIP of the three remaining people is greater than 40%.
"Spite" calls are more common from other players than pushing on the button in the late game. And sometimes the monsters are not there to value bet them.
Thanks again, and try to keep those "Getting Bodoged"s to a minimum.
Hello! This is PanchoStern but I'm using my wife's account. In any case I DO enter the hands manually. I have trouble with HEM & any other software for my Bodog games. I can't even do graphs etc on my HEM as they show almost reverse date (like -90%+ ROI etc) which is way way WAY off. In anyone happens to know how let me know. I think it probably has to do with the Idleminer Bodog Hand Grabber. Works great for getting the HUD to work though.
Actually I've been looking into leaving Bodog & moving to another site as I'm not getting rakeback there & the site refuses to give me any to point I was told to go "somewhere else" which I think I will.
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smrz
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PanchoStern,
Thanks for the info.
I sent a hand history in the text of an e-mail to SNGWiz and they asked me to send over some actual files earlier today. Since it was not a definitive "No" after first review, I am cautiously optimistic. I will keep you updated.
I unfortunately am in the same boat about rakeback. But other parts of playing Bodog just seem to have allot of exploitable areas I want explore before moving on.
At this point they are at least offering matching of up to $600 for monthly deposits on existing account. Released $1.00 per 10 pts. It does not matter much to me since I am still learning while two tabling $5's, but depending on your volume, it could add up to real money over time.
I have the same graph problem with HEM. I am OK with keeping my own graph, but the messed up sorting in reports by BB is a real pain for me. I am hoping that HM may do some work on it since PT3 now has native Bodog support. I just got HM3pro and hate to have to make another purchase.
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BatakQueen
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PanchoStern,
Thanks for the info.
I sent a hand history in the text of an e-mail to SNGWiz and they asked me to send over some actual files earlier today. Since it was not a definitive "No" after first review, I am cautiously optimistic. I will keep you updated.
I unfortunately am in the same boat about rakeback. But other parts of playing Bodog just seem to have allot of exploitable areas I want explore before moving on.
At this point they are at least offering matching of up to $600 for monthly deposits on existing account. Released $1.00 per 10 pts. It does not matter much to me since I am still learning while two tabling $5's, but depending on your volume, it could add up to real money over time.
I have the same graph problem with HEM. I am OK with keeping my own graph, but the messed up sorting in reports by BB is a real pain for me. I am hoping that HM may do some work on it since PT3 now has native Bodog support. I just got HM3pro and hate to have to make another purchase.
Yes, Let me know how that turns out. I AM wondering if the PT3 works good there or not. I love my HEM though & honestly don't know how much longer I'll be playing there. If I wasn't crushing the $16's I would be long gone. Let me know when you are on I'd like to sweat you on your games. I'm sure I still remember some of the regulars at the $6.50's. I started down at the $3.30's.
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frudoc
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For those also concerned with HUD real estate, consider either getting rid of the labels, or at least abbreviating them more. V for VP, P for PFR, A for AF, SD for WTSD, etc. HEM hud also allows abbreviated player names and if you set the decimal on them to 2 it only shows three letters - very helpful. Also, you don't usually need a label for Hands either. After doing all of this, I would suspect that the HUD in this video could be condensed to 3 lines at most.
Also, don't be afraid to play around with fonts and font sizes. There are fonts that are actually easier to read at say 8 point than some others are at 9 or even 10 sometimes. Finally, remember that you can often (at least in HEM and PT3) put spaces in the box where you are supposed to put your labels - you can do this instead of labels. This puts a little more space between the stats which also helps with quick reads, etc.
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frudoc
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Yes, Let me know how that turns out. I AM wondering if the PT3 works good there or not. I love my HEM though & honestly don't know how much longer I'll be playing there. If I wasn't crushing the $16's I would be long gone. Let me know when you are on I'd like to sweat you on your games. I'm sure I still remember some of the regulars at the $6.50's. I started down at the $3.30's.
For what it's worth, I actually have both PT3 and HEM. I use HEM almost exclusively, but I use PT3 at Bodog as there is no additional software required and it works well in general. Then I might just import those hands into HEM for analysis. I realize that having both is not a good option for many people and am not suggesting anyone go buy both, but just relaying my own experience.
As a side note, I also keep a Shortcut on my desktop to the hand history folders of various sites so I can quickly access those folders without digging into the system much. This makes it easier to quickly import into HEM, delete a quick and silly freeroll before HEM tries to import it, etc.
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