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I have serious doubts that you can actually profit from online poker gaming. Which coach is the best coach to teach profit making poker? I think my poker game is really solid and have played a serious online poker game for the the last month and have not profitted anything in the end. I dont want to play this game to play the game, I WANT TO MAKE MONEY!

I guess hoping for that is not a bad thing, but it goes against what I think many on this site are studying and teaching. I have a friend who shares similar views about poker, and although I think he still does like the game, he is in poker for the money. He doesn't implement study, theory, or want outside help; therefore, he practices no bankroll management and has gone boom and bust so many times.

For me, I could love the game at any level, from .01/.02 limit on up. Poker is a game of strategy/skill and luck. You can only go so far with or without luck, but the strategy then is to still make money or not lose large amounts over these times.

I'm in poker for the long haul. I understand the game is tougher to take all the way to the nosebleeds, so all I can really hope for is to practice some sort of management over the long haul where I still have fun playing the game at any limit. If it buys me a new bike, or some new equipment for my other passions, like triathlon, so much the sweeter that new piece of equipment or race entry fee will be. And if it doesn't, I still will certainly love to play the game of poker.

You don't become good at poker in a month. I'd suspect 90% of poker players lose money, to make it past those 90% and into that 10% of people who make profit, a lot is required. FYI I was down $2100 before I ever became a winning player. That's not from playing 200NL or 400NL, that's from trying to get better while playing 10NL and 25NL after losing like $600 trying to clear a 50 dollar bonus on stars.

Believe what you will, but a portion of this forum make our living from online poker. I've been doing it for a year, and I'll continue to do it just as all the others shall. This isn't a magic money tree, and if it was the limbs would be only at the top of the tree and the leaves would never fall. You'd have to climb and climb and climb until you reached that goal.

You don't become good at poker in a month. I'd suspect 90% of poker players lose money, to make it past those 90% and into that 10% of people who make profit, a lot is required. FYI I was down $2100 before I ever became a winning player. That's not from playing 200NL or 400NL, that's from trying to get better while playing 10NL and 25NL after losing like $600 trying to clear a 50 dollar bonus on stars.

Agreed. I laugh just thinking about where I was as a poker player only at the start of this year. Nowhere. All told, from the live play I did a few years ago at $10 or $20 at a time at friends' houses and my online experiences of losing my initial deposits, I'm just now starting to make money, but I understand the game now. My game had HUGE leaks and took time and patience, and putting in the hands, to figure it out. DC and Vandweller brought me from being a breakeven player to actually winning. While my volume has slowed down again for me, I can't wait to start up the grind again.

You don't become good at poker in a month. I'd suspect 90% of poker players lose money, to make it past those 90% and into that 10% of people who make profit, a lot is required. FYI I was down $2100 before I ever became a winning player. That's not from playing 200NL or 400NL, that's from trying to get better while playing 10NL and 25NL after losing like $600 trying to clear a 50 dollar bonus on stars.

Believe what you will, but a portion of this forum make our living from online poker. I've been doing it for a year, and I'll continue to do it just as all the others shall. This isn't a magic money tree, and if it was the limbs would be only at the top of the tree and the leaves would never fall. You'd have to climb and climb and climb until you reached that goal.

thanks for the responce but im not a month or two poker player. I have been playing poker for 4 yrs now and have had alot of ups and downs as well. im just saying that the last month i have really put alot of effort in playing a really solid game ( no bullshit plays or tilted runs or anything stupid like that!) to see how much i could profit and the answer was nada, zero, nothing. Same bankroll that i started with a month ago. so my question was back to "is there a coach who teaches how to profit playing poker, (profit strats or profits from playing or whatever) play poker and profit. I dont really ever hear anything from anyone about this subject and all the info i hear is just random info on hand values and varience. I had another player from dc sweat one of my games and he didnt give any real responce to my game other than "I dont see anything wrong with your game, maybe you should bluff in some spots but other than that it looks good." So if my game is good than why am i not profiting from the game? maybe i need help from a coach who knows how to profit playing poker! Is there any coach who can teach this or who is the best one if it is teachable?

I'm pretty sure any coach could help you, I'm not sure who since I've never been coached. But my post was simply aimed at fixing a mental leak that you have right now. You say you've played for 4 years, if you're not sure you can make real profit playing and you've played for 4 years, you haven't played enough, probably haven't played often, and probably aren't good at poker.

Don't get pissed, this isn't an attack. This is me trying to get you to come to terms with it. Because if you don't, you'll never make money at this game. By 4 years, you're probably including just donking around with friends and maybe going to a casino once a month or so. Maybe you've played somewhat online, but I'd imagine it's under 40k hands, which is about what someone trying to play for a month puts in. Since you're in tourney poker though, you probably don't play cash, which means I'd imagine you probably 1 or 2 table tournys every now and then, maybe 10 or 20 tournaments in the past month?

The point I'm trying to get at is no matter how long you've played, you probably haven't played a lot of poker. I guess the next point to make is that you're not just missing a few bluff spots, even Krantz or IWEARGOGGLES can play better than they do right now, to think you're only missing a few spots is ludicrous. The way you think about poker needs to be radically changed, any winning player could probably help you with that, so any DC coach would be remarkably helpful to you.

Now, I'll start the ball of fixing your thoughts on poker with one more paragraph. You sound like you're looking for a secret clue that will fix everything. That's not how poker is. That stuff about hand ranges, hand values, icm, profitable bluff spots, and all that other jazz is what makes someone a winning player. They know what they should raise, why they should raise it, how much it should be raised, if you'll fold to a 3b, what you'll do on x flops and how you'll play x turns. Let alone the whys for all of that.

Anyway, I'm not trying to be rude, everyone who starts trying to play some solid poker and show a profit sounds a lot like you off the bat. But ask any solid winning player and they'll echo my sentiments. Gl.

I've seen a number of Posts from you this month where you are obviously very frustrated at beats or coolers. So maybe you've just had a rough month?

You said it yourself - you've played for 4 years, but this month made a concerted effort to play "right".

So it sounds like your last 4 years should all be discounted, and you're basing your analysis on this month's results?

I agree with Maleficus - volume is the key to burying variance. But if you can't put in that kind of volume in, (I know I can't)
then 1 month isn't enough to get an answer I don't think. I think you would have to play "right" over a year to get an accurate picture.

Editting my post. Wrote this big ole page that drifted off topic.

To answer your question, I don't know about a coach to teach that specifically, but I think a lot of that info is in the SNG Grinder vids. Making money at poker is easy, right? Just play the highest BI games that you KNOW you can beat...lol.

Is there a video series on game selection? Site selection?

"poker is like sex , everyone thinks there good at it but most have no idea what there doing"- unknown

Hah this phrase echos the large percentage of poker players, which for a time prolly included myself and is a pitfall we can all fall into.

first key is volume. i used to play 1 sng (non turbo) at a time and be extremely titled when i lost or my kk was outrun by a3. with that strategy to poker i found myself playing several hours with often very little profit to show which can occur with the variance in poker. i also at the time considered myself a decent sng player from my 3 million dollars play money account (lol) and hadn't constantly pursued to improve and evaluate my own play. With the help of forums and videos like these i have plugged huge leaks in my game and now am a steady winner at the micro stakes playing part
time and looking to move up to the ladder soon.

Deuces Cracked definitely has all the tools u need to be a successful poker player. With proper bankroll management, enough volume, and this site, u'll be sure to be a profitable player too in time.

I think part of the problem is most people are referring to 2 major sites, Poker Stars & Full Tilt, in general. Those sites are saturated by pro's/sharks & then they wonder why the variance & ROI's are the way they are. There are plenty of other sites out there where you can make money at. Another thing could be that most might have an unrealistic expectation in terms of $$ Profit$ to be made. I've been a loser at PS, just can't seem to make anything there be it by variance, bad beats, or plainly me just not able to adjust properly in that site. Yet on 2 other sites I play at I'm able to easily make $$ & have a very healthy ROI. Healthy enough to pay for my car payment & continue to pay for training sites/books. To me that is very realistic.
I had a coaching session with vandweller back in January & was playing $3.30's at the time. I'm currently playing $10+1's & occasionally $20+2's when I feel I have equity in the game. I feel like I'm just getting started & plan on moving up, but I do NOT plan on leaving those sites for the mythical "greener pa$ture$" of PS or FT. I heard from one player who went from PS to Cake & had an insane ROI of 53% because the site was so soft. Guys the games ARE out there they just aren't at PS or FT.

I have serious doubts that you can actually profit from online poker gaming. Which coach is the best coach to teach profit making poker? I think my poker game is really solid and have played a serious online poker game for the the last month and have not profitted anything in the end. I dont want to play this game to play the game, I WANT TO MAKE MONEY!

if your only goal is to make money, quit! there are 100 ways to make money elsewhere. ive been playing poker for 10 years and it took a lot of effort to become a winning player (and i am still learning). and the games are much thougher now than 10 years ago. maybe you should try to learn 7card stud or someother game which is much softer, and you will have a good time aswell in the learning process. i think learning other games is good for your game feel and it widens your horizon. but if you only want to play nlhe i suggest u seriously go into the topic of game selection.....i am sure many coaches can teach you that. u dont want to sit at a table with only tag regs. btw going breake even is actually winning poker if it hadent been for the rake, so there is a big probability that small adjustments will make a huge diff!

im sure ur game can improve