browndog1986
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BaseMetal
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This is tricky with 50/100 blinds and mostly even stacks I would possibly ditch it or raise 2.5 times and fold to any action (except from short stacks). A 2.5 should look very strong and only be called by good hands and probably acheive as many folds as a push. I would have to re-evaluate on a flop. The push from UTG seems a touch too risky, I think it is a reasonable though, but I may do it depending on game flow.
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corkeye
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BaseMetal
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Personally i'm never bet/folding with just over 14 bbs.
I think this is a bit too formulaic, there are often (OK, quite occasional) times when I am willing to raise fold with 14 bbs. It is situational dependent though.
TT is touching the bottom of my range here and so I may just drop it and wait. In this case I can see myself doing any of the jam/raise/fold options, if I did go for the raise a pre-flop fold would then also depend on reads and I would probably call unless a couple of players had moved in. You do get the benefit of seeing the action and also the flop when flat called and even after going through the blinds you still have a 10bb stack.
I am beginning to warm to the push though
. It is also much simpler for multi-tabling.
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NineHigh
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I would consider minraising here and folding to more than 1 shove.
As BaseMetal says, you get to see the action by doing this and 2 BB is not such a large % of your stack that you are committed.
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cuffs214
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+2 what corkeye said. I jamming here. Im certainly not bet folding here with 14 1/2 bb's Its a bit bigger stack than I want to jam with but I usually start looking for spots to jam with like 12bb's anyway.
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corkeye
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Interesting debate I guess..
Min raising/2.5 bbs or however much you decide to raise instead of shoving, UTG, to me is a recipe for disaster. You either get shoved on PF, which is kind of vile leaving you with a decision (a fold to a shove imo is NOT mandatory depending on reads/history with villain), or on the flip side you get 1 or more callers, and have a high % chance of playing the flop out of position, and a good % chance of seeing at least 1 Paint Card on the flop and as a result you have little or no idea of where you are at.
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BaseMetal
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My thinking is that sometimes (table dependent) a 2.5 raise will do the main job, ie, steal the blinds - it would look very strong if a tight player raises here.
Overall, I think Corkeye is probably right and a shove is best but it is close. What type of hands would try to push a tight UTG raise off a hand? It is not usual for good players to try it without a top 5% or better hand and these would have probably called a shove. If a bad player pushes then it makes calling easier and possibly more valuable, if a good tight reg. does then you have given yorself a problem - you could still call which I now think is the best option but folding and still having a decent stack is not yet a disaster.
If you do get to see a flop you may get lucky and catch a T or approx. 40% of time have cards less than ten. If you do see say AK9 then you are doomed and have to fold.
This is probably the type of hand where there is not a great deal of +ev between all the choices and so is not going to be a big winner or loser for your bottom line. If you are multi-tabling then the simplicity of shoving (or folding) wins.
(and don't forget I am just a struggling micro player)
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browndog1986
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I wouldn't mind open raising here to 3x. If a smaller stack shoves I call and depending on previous action if a larger stack raises me I may fold or call. If flop comes low I shove if high cards come out I may do either depending on who's and how many are behind. I think the open 3x looks strong at 14bb UTG and many times you will be taking down the blinds. I don't disagree with any of the other plays though.
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jamming is far less expoiltable and easier to balance, so i prefer that.
a 2.5 or 2.2 or 2x isnt bad IF we have aggro villains behind we know we are destroying there 3 bet shove range. and if we are very sure that the isolation will work. then i can see this being somewhat an option.
but jamming is just so easier. i would just get it over with and push. it would really suck to be playing postflop and jamming our hand into overcards on the flop.
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