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Duck's Dog Days Donkaments: Episode One

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Duck's Dog Days Donkaments: Episode One by fslexcduck

Vanessa Selbst takes you to a new level of tournament analysis. She takes hands from her live sessions at the WSOP and transfers them for our benefit here. This week she takes on Omaha.

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DC raises the bar. Vanessa took to the WSOP this summer. Follow the play and analysis of all her LIVE tournaments. A must-watch for those interested in live tournament and PLO strategy.

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  • Game: Mixed
  • Stakes: Mid Stakes
  • 47 minutes long
  • Posted almost 4 years ago

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sweetjazz3

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When you're doing the math of calling a large part of your stack against a known range (e.g. AA**), it's more than just equity that goes into it. You also have to consider the equity you won't realize. Some flops your equity will be so bad you have to fold, but you'll always be folding some backdoor equity (unless the flop is something like AAx!). You also have to consider the implied odds. Those times that the stacks go in, are you making or losing money. On the one hand, you'll get AA** to always stack off and on some great flops, you'll have more than 75% equity, so AA** will be making a FTOP error (though obviously a completely standard call versus your range). That's good for you. Unfortunately, you'll also hit a lot of flops where your equity is between 25% and 50%. In those cases, you will be compelled to keep chasing, even though you are taking the worst of it, giving you reverse implied odds.

At the end of the day, I think most of these extra factors just cancel out, but the rule of thumb I have come up with is that you want your equity to be at least as much as the percentage of the pot you have to put in if your stack goes in. In other words, if there is X in dead money (including any bets you have made to this point) and there is Y remaining as the effective stack, you will have to put in Y to win X + Y, so you want your equity to be at least Y / (X + 2Y). This only applies if the raise by AA** is so big that he is correct to get it in on every flop. Obviously, once you start getting 2/3 or more of stack left behind, then you have to consider implied odds possibilities in more detail.

What do more experienced PLO players think of that? I'm pretty sure it's not really right, but I suspect it's close enough that you can use it and only risk taking slightly the worst of it.

Posted almost 4 years ago

2fouroffsuit

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Very nice vid, interesting stuff to listen to.

Just curious how good RW III's AA** were and if you think that he is doing that with all AA** or if he'd open with premium aces, and what you think of his spot with AAshit -> AApremium, in general.

I'm only starting to get into PLO and how people play different kinds of aces is something that I am finding interesting in my transition over.

Posted almost 4 years ago

unclejim

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oneillsurfer03

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Thanks for doing this and anything with you makes me get better

Posted almost 4 years ago

spilledmilk

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Joined 03/2009

I am a live plo cash player. Some things I have watched on here have helped my live game, but obv. a lot doesn't translate. Additionally, I have looked everywhere for live plo tourney strategy resources, and I have found very, very little. So, this series hits the sweet spot for me. Thanks. I hope you'll do one or two with live plo cash game sessions even though I'm sure it's a lot of work to input the hands.

Also, just wondering how you would have played the top and bottom pair on rainbow board differently if you'd somehow seen the flop on the button instead of the bb and it checked around? Just wondering because I find it is much easier to defend two pair against draws when in position, and if someone checkcalls it's pretty easy to put them on a range and know where you are in the hand once the turn comes.

And very helpful comments, sweetjazz.

Posted almost 4 years ago

kondor101

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This is great stuff and explains a lot to me, both in PLO terms and when and when not to try a bet fold move in tourneys.

Very happy.

Posted almost 4 years ago

StLPride

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Joined 02/2009

Great stuff! This is why DC is my choice for online instructional videos. you all constantly push the envelope with imaginative series, entertaining content, and useful situational theory. Keep up the good work!

Cheers Smile

Posted over 3 years ago

tempolivre

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Time Link to 00:44:20

Hi, I really enjoy this video but I guess if this pre flop call was really good. Wasn't a situation to got broke or fold? Because was a Huge call with a very good hand to play against AA, and left no much stack behind, something like 2.7K in a 5.7K pot.

Always sorry abou my english....

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Posted almost 2 years ago




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