Tournament Poker Poker Forums

WSOP Event 39 ($1500 NLHE), it is 5 minutes before the dinner break which will end level 6 (150/300 blinds, 25 antes). The blinds will go to 200/400 with 50 antes after the break. You have about 5100 chips and you are on the button. Average stack is probably around 11000. The player 3 seats to your right opens to 750, the hijack calls and the cutoff calls. What range are you shoving here?

Reads:
Preflop Raiser is not super-loose but opens a fair amount of pots; he always minraised preflop until the antes came in, now he has started raising slightly bigger. I think he's opening around 20% of hands in this spot.

Hijack is Brandon Cantu, super-laggy with big stack. He has any two cards. I think he would've 3-bet if he had a big hand.

Cutoff is Grant Hinkle, has played pretty tight but won a couple big pots recently. Would definitely be in here with all kinds of speculative hands in position. I think he would've squeezed if he had a big hand.

Blinds are reasonable players that wouldn't call your shove unless they woke up with a monster.


Image:
You should definitely be perceived as a tight player, but not an ultra-nit.

I'm no MTT expert, but I would think that this would be pretty close to any two, no? 3225 (unless I'm a mathtard) dead chips in the middle is more than half of your stack and if you wait you probably won't get a chance to resteal again before the break, in which case you will be in a terrible spot with 13 BBs. I may fold the very bottom of my range here, but it is highly doubtful.

You don't have to shove though imo. I think you can make a small, obviously committing raise to hopefully induce some folds. However, if you think that this will tip your hand to the better players in the hand, shoving is probably right.

You're not really risking much by shoving and the reward for winning the pot uncontested is pretty great. Unless you think that you don't have much fold equity for some reason, I would say that restealing looks super strong in this spot.

Like I said, it depends on how you think they will react, but I would definitely either raise/get it in or just shove with any two here.

I'm no MTT expert, but I would think that this would be pretty close to any two, no? 3225 (unless I'm a mathtard) dead chips in the middle is more than half of your stack and if you wait you probably won't get a chance to resteal again before the break, in which case you will be in a terrible spot with 13 BBs. I may fold the very bottom of my range here, but it is highly doubtful.

Cool, that was my thought process too, I felt like I had to try something while I still had some fold equity. I shoved A5o and the initial opener had AQ so I busted, but I still felt like it was the right decision. Thanks for the feedback.

How are any of the chips in the middle dead? 5 people still have hands right?

It's a difficult one..there's nothing wrong with the thinking process..but I think the best play/more powerfull play would be to raise in this spot (around $2000), which in this case would mean you going HU against AQ..the flop has probably not helped him and now he has to call $3100 (your all in) with AQ (probably just 2 overcards) getting bit more than 3:1 odds, where a call would now become a tough/incorrect play to make..
The reason that I would choose for this play is beacause of this specific situation (otherwise instant shove)..because of the blindstructure, your stack, your position and the juicy pot..when you shove in this spot (a shove sometimes scream "don't call, go away!!"and this is one of those moments) they can see what's going on, which makes it easier for somebody with AQ to call and maybe even something weaker than that (I know I would,lol)..
It's not like I know something about this game, but I thought I share my thoughts 2

How are any of the chips in the middle dead? 5 people still have hands right?

Right. They're not technically dead, but it's very unlikely that anyone other than the initial raiser has a hand that could continue if I shove here.

I don't know about raising smaller.. just seems like if I do that I'll often end up playing a 4-way pot out of position with a shitty hand having put 40% of my stack in already. The other guys are all deep enough that they'd be crazy to fold anything with the odds they'd be getting to call.

I wouldn't say its all that unlikely at all that they can't have a hand to call your shove.

Cantu and Hinkle's ranges probably include 77-TT, AQ (possibly JJ) as well. You'd also have to think the original raiser realizes the two on his left are monkeys.

I would shove a pretty wide range but I don't think any two is even close to correct.

I wouldn't say its all that unlikely at all that they can't have a hand to call your shove.

Cantu and Hinkle's ranges probably include 77-TT, AQ (possibly JJ) as well. You'd also have to think the original raiser realizes the two on his left are monkeys.

I would shove a pretty wide range but I don't think any two is even close to correct.

I suppose my language was incorrect. What I meant by dead money was that there were already 3225 chips committed to the pot.