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Absolute Poker No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75.00/t150.00 Blinds - 4 players - View hand 901963
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CO: t1340.00 8.93 BBs
Hero (BTN): t1270.00 8.47 BBs
SB: t4265.00 28.43 BBs
BB: t2470.00 16.47 BBs

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is BTN with J J
1 fold, [color=red]Hero raises ?

Final Pot: t375



how do you guys play your big pockets do you like to raise or shove ive bin mostly raising kings and aces trying to get a call with a 2.5x raise but jacks and queens baffle me abit any thoughts.

JJ is very strong and I would like a call in this situation so if the players seem bad I would min raise else shove.

(The chip stacks add up to 9345 (?) seems an strange number, is there a problem with the Hand Converter? or am I missing something?)

Cheers,
BaseMetal

***** Hand History for Game 342268470 ***** (Absolute)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, September 02, 12:48:04 ET 2010
Table Tournament 5285657 Table 38181033 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: mp ( $1340.00 USD )
Seat 2: co ( $1270.00 USD )
Seat 4: button ( $4155.00 USD )
Seat 7: sb ( $4265.00 USD )
Seat 8: bb ( $2470.00 USD )
sb posts small blind [$75.00 USD].
bb posts big blind [$150.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to BROWNDOG1986 [ Jd Js ]
mp folds
BROWNDOG1986 raises [$1270.00 USD

for sum reason it was missing a player in the converter i just posted hand history and removed names sorry if it wrong bit tired lol

o and am not shaw if i like the min raise my self

I think a Shove is standard.

Ideally, I think we shove a lot leading up to this point so when we have a premium we can ship it and get a spite call because a shove looks weaker than a raise a lot.

As stated, if the players behind are noticeably bad, we can min raise and hope to get shoved on with Ax or some other hand that they shouldn't be restealing with.

below 10 BB i shove ATC. yah amazing easy shove.

I think a Shove is standard.

Ideally, I think we shove a lot leading up to this point so when we have a premium we can ship it and get a spite call because a shove looks weaker than a raise a lot.

As stated, if the players behind are noticeably bad, we can min raise and hope to get shoved on with Ax or some other hand that they shouldn't be restealing with.

i hate min rasing with a passion here. if we min raise and a fish behind calls and we see obver what do you do? fish will call with like KJ off and crap like that, simple super value shove,.

i hate min rasing with a passion here. if we min raise and a fish behind calls and we see obver what do you do? fish will call with like KJ off and crap like that, simple super value shove,.

I think it is fine either way, min raise or push, in this case I prefer a push. If called and an ace hits it wouldn't change anything for me, after the min raise I consider myself all-in. OK if the flop came AKQ I might back out but we are in last position and are going to need chips soon, I would love a call pre-flop.

In the original post (less the extra player) I would have been more inclinded to min-raise as we were last in a bubble situation and players fold much too often in bubbles. If I thought they were bad I would min-raise, but as stated, with the corrected history, overall I now prefer the shove.

Cheers
BaseMetal

against donks that dont bluff there stackoff range on the flop is a lot more narrow then preflop bc they are just folding when missed. any over and villain leading/ shoving is pretty terribad assuming micro or low stakes donk fish in the blinds OOP. see what im saying? your hand equity means nothing on a high card board unless you set bc they fold there misses and ship their hits. any random 2 cards are close to the same then. granted we tend to have marginally better small # of outs but 2 outers just aint great no matter how you try and chop it up. i get what your saying, just dont know why you would put yourself in a tough high variance spot imo

i get what your saying, just dont know why you would put yourself in a tough high variance spot imo

There is almost nothing sensible that you can do to reduce variance in SnGs your best plan is always to take the best $ev option you can find at any given moment. Luckily this is difficult to do, if easy the game would be dead. The deadly game of dare that results around the bubble should be viewed completely in $ev terms and not in terms of reducing variance.

In this 5 player spot I wouldn't min-raise normally. If a bubble spot when I was well behind or if the hand was better say KK or AA then I would be more likely to min-raise if I felt the other players where bad enough to not notice an unusual play. For such a case I would have guestimated my chances of getting it all-in as higher by min-raising. I play at $5.50 and this approach works quite well.

Cheers,
BaseMetal

This to me is a shove all the way, and I couldn't play it any diferent way.

A limp or a raise/min raise pre is just too fancy, keep it simple, shove all in, and expect occasional calls from worse hands which is a great result and gets us up to 17 bbs, and all the other times they fold and we get up to 10bbs which is totally profitable either way.

There is almost nothing sensible that you can do to reduce variance in SnGs your best plan is always to take the best $ev option you can find at any given moment. Luckily this is difficult to do, if easy the game would be dead. The deadly game of dare that results around the bubble should be viewed completely in $ev terms and not in terms of reducing variance.

In this 5 player spot I wouldn't min-raise normally. If a bubble spot when I was well behind or if the hand was better say KK or AA then I would be more likely to min-raise if I felt the other players where bad enough to not notice an unusual play. For such a case I would have guestimated my chances of getting it all-in as higher by min-raising. I play at $5.50 and this approach works quite well.

Cheers,
BaseMetal

yah we can reduce variance in our play by taking the safer options.

yah we can reduce variance in our play by taking the safer options.

By safer I assume you mean you will give up small $ev edges during the game. This will reduce your winrate, which will have a side effect of reducing variance but only very slighty and you are then, with lower ROI, likely to have longer and deeper downswings. I think it is much better just to aim for maximum ROI. If you want to reduce your variance it is better to play a different structure like "Double or Nothing" SnGs.

Nearly all the variance is built into the SnG pay-out structure and not affected by the way you play individual hands.
I certainly do not mean that ICM is wrong, a 50% vs 50% cash hand is often nothing like a coin-flip in SnGs in the ICM sense(late stage if large fields) and should not be taken unless the ICM of the situation dictates it.

Cheers,
BaseMetal

^ clearly, but assuming we have a large edge over the field, we dont wanna risk wasting that edge on marginal spots when later on the chips start to become much more valuable in terms of real money. and the risk reward becomes much more favorable. i have found that this has greatly improved my game by making my runs much deeper on average.

^ clearly, but assuming we have a large edge over the field, we dont wanna risk wasting that edge on marginal spots when later on the chips start to become much more valuable in terms of real money. and the risk reward becomes much more favorable. i have found that this has greatly improved my game by making my runs much deeper on average.

It may seem strange but I think there is a good chance that the changes you made will have actually slightly increased your variance and at the same time increased your ROI. Avoiding coin flips when you have an edge is +$ev and is similar to doing ICM calculations and part of good poker but doing it does not really affect your variance that stays almost fixed for large fields.
I suppose it all doesnt really matter if your profits keep going up!

Best Of Luck
BaseMetal