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AmityDewey

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The hand history is from an unsupported site, so the converter wouldn't work.(It was a free-roll at Superuser Central. Since I don't play MTT's usually it seemed like a good day to try to win $1150.

SuperUser Poker, $1200/2400 $200 Antes Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players

Board:
BB: $67,436
UTG: $71,305
UTG+1: $30,604
MP1: $16,900
CO: $35,991
Button: $112,362
SB: $118,412

Dealt to SB Q:hearts, Q:spades

Button Range 22/14/2.7 - Opening 1 in 3 steal chances from the button:

Pre-flop:
(4 folds), Button raises to $4,800, SB raises to $118,212!!!! and is all-in, (1 folds), Button all-in $107,362, SB returns $6,050

Flop: ($228,124) 2Diamond 3Club TSpade (2 Players)

Turn: ($228,124) TClub (2 Players)

River: ($228,124) 8Diamond (2 Players)

I was the button in this hand. It's pretty easy to guess what kind of hand I had. My thought is more about if I have the Queens, how would I play this.

Preflop I would raise to around 20k and if I were re-reraised I would have folded the Queens. I have too many chips to risk them against what has to be at worse AK. Am I too nitty? This seemed pretty standard to me given the stack sizes.

Results in white
I had aces and now 50% of the chips in play with 6 left. Ship the $1150 freeroll. Poker is easy.
End Results

Posted about 4 years ago

DerBrain

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You have to get the money in with QQ there. his range definitely wont be KK+, AK. there are a lot of mid pocket pairs weak palyers tend to play like that. its a freeroll and a lot of players are super weak. you are on the BU and open a fairly wide range. call and get it in.

Posted about 4 years ago

AmityDewey

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I forgot to mention this was the final table with 7 players left. This changes the question I think because of the way the payouts go. All of the players were TAG. No open limping, opening and 3betting correctly, etc. The players knew what they were doing on a basic level. I would rate the level of play to a $100 MTT final table at Stars. It is a freeroll, but a freeroll for players who play a ton of hands per month.

I can tell you since I was the Button in this case, I am never calling his shove with a smaller pair or AQ. I'm snapping with AA,KK and very likely folding AK given the stack sizes. A 20k raise I'm going to call and open shove a flop with AA & KK. I'm going call with AK and open shove an A or K on the flop that isn't really scary. QQ-22 I'm looking for a set. I'm folding AQ for 20k more.

Posted about 4 years ago

DerBrain

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But why should he play AA or KK this way? he expects you to raise a fairly wide range from the BU and he wants to play a pot with you. by overshoving, he just accomplishes that you fold your non-premium hands. it would make sense with AK or a mid pocket pair (88-JJ) some of the time and you are far ahead of his range. its 7 handed, you are about 50bb deep. I think there is no chance to get away in this spot, if you dont have a really, really strong read that he is only overshoving with his premium hands.

Posted about 4 years ago

AMT

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AmityDewey,

The idea of your argument would have to center around some weird payouts, and some really laser ninja reads, which you haven't provided here. Also, even if the payout jumps were set up such that folding could be right, it would probably mean that the initial re-raise to 20k was pretty bad. Your ranges all over are probably too tight. Also, for future reference, there's no real need to post what happens in the hand after your last relevant action in the OP---it will either have zero impact (like here), or one that brings skewed subjectivity to otherwise appropriately subjective arguments.

DerBrain,

FWIW, I don't think ruling out AA/KK is entirely appropriate either.

Posted about 4 years ago

DerBrain

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I dont rule KK or AA out, but I would halve the amount of combos in his range.

Posted about 4 years ago




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