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FT of 2r on Merge

7 or 8 handed

Blinds 1k, 2k with antes

Hijack who has a big stack but haven't seen before the FT ( massive chip leader) 2.5X

Button who is weak passive flats ( he has open limped a lot and just is a passive bad fish)

Im in the SB with just over 30K, so 15BB

there is almost 7BB in the pot if im remembering the ante structure correctly

so simple question is what is your range? top heavy no immediate big pay jumps until top 3 and stacks are im either shortest stack or close to it, basically only hijack has a big stack everyone else is in the 15-25BB range.

i think i shoved too wide here FWIW

about 66+, AJ+ ATs KQs I would say, but only if it is really topheavy. If co opens 40%+ add low pairs KQo and ATo?

Button who is weak passive flats ( he has open limped a lot and just is a passive bad fish)

It is difficult to narrow the Btn 2.5x call range, the Hijack can obviously be weak. (you haven't mentioned the Btn stack so I suppose it is about 15bb also). The Btn may not drop it that easily so best avoiding hands that would do badly against a weak player calling range - ie, no A9o or very weak pairs I reckon on something like (55+,A7s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,98s,87s,76s,ATo+,KQo) about 15% seems reasonable if you think the hijack is wide..

edit: Actually this is wider than my normal range in game - I would go this wide when feeling frisky but normally I would drop a few of the hands, ie, J9s,Q8sA7s, ATo,76s.

Depends a lot on game flow and my image, presence of small stacks etc. I think the original range is likely to be at least reasonable though.. Without a good read I would also tighten up a bit, if the players seemed risk averse I could go looser - it's hard to be precise.

There's 15K in the pot when it gets to you, you shove for 30k, so the hijack is getting 3:1 on his call. That seems a bit hard to squeeze considering his massive stack size so I would tighten up a lot as I just assume he's calling, and if he calls the button is now getting 4:1.... still there's a ton of chips in the middle but I personally want a double up in that spot and I think you are guaranteeing yourself a flip if you are shoving wide.

Sorry, but don't we class a squeeze as essentially a bluff? So are you saying what's my bluff range in this spot?

Sorry, but don't we class a squeeze as essentially a bluff? So are you saying what's my bluff range in this spot?

I would say a squeeze is really when there are two players in the pot, so after your 3rd raise or allin the 1st (expected to be a bit loose) has to also worry about the 2nd and so drops it more often and the 2nd usually has a lesser hand due to just calling. It is not so much a bluff as spotting somewhere you think you have more fold equity - you still get called sometimes so some hand equity will help, plus two or more players in the hand increases the gain when it works so overall you can be looser than against one.

Well good point corkeye I didn't see it really as a bluff mostly but I guess on hindsight I was trying to exploit what I thought may be a tighter calling range then should but in hind sight that was optimistic

Base I did some numbers for a few minutes after this post and I think you too wide I shoved qj suited but in hindsight I have around 37% equity against most calling ranges. It's still slight negative ev I think in hindsight

I think face nailed the range pretty well I was shocked I couldn't shove wider with that much in the pot I got tempted by the pot

Base I did some numbers for a few minutes after this post and I think you too wide I shoved qj suited but in hindsight I have around 37% equity against most calling ranges. It's still slight negative ev I think in hindsight

Yep, I think I was way too loose, I wasn't taking the FT part into consideration. I think I would be tempted sometimes with QJs if I did have a good image.

I had zero history with this person, plus i usually have a laggy image in weak field tournies i was raising a ton IP until i lost a big pot with QQ right before the FT so i doubt i really will ever be seen as tight enough to get away from it. plus that assumes the villain is thinking alot and in a $2r that is just so unlikely to be the case imo

There's 15K in the pot when it gets to you, you shove for 30k, so the hijack is getting 3:1 on his call. That seems a bit hard to squeeze considering his massive stack size so I would tighten up a lot as I just assume he's calling, and if he calls the button is now getting 4:1.... still there's a ton of chips in the middle but I personally want a double up in that spot and I think you are guaranteeing yourself a flip if you are shoving wide.

Ahm, you are way off. There is 15k in the pot, if hero jams 30k in the sb, there is now 44 k in the pot, and HJ needs to call 25k to win 44, so he gets about 1,8:1. Given that he schould put hero on a tightish range because of final table and payjumps, there is no reason why he should not lay down a lot (probably anything but AT+, 55+ and KQ, some lower if suited, which gives us a lot of fold equity. But then again, ICM demands that shoving needs to be highly plus chip ev, in order to make it plus $ev, thus our not too wide shove range)

@Base: I like your shoving range if it was not a FT, but given ICM I think tightening up is necessary.

I had zero history with this person, plus i usually have a laggy image in weak field tournies i was raising a ton IP until i lost a big pot with QQ right before the FT so i doubt i really will ever be seen as tight enough to get away from it. plus that assumes the villain is thinking alot and in a $2r that is just so unlikely to be the case imo

I do admire your chutzpah though, squeezing the big stack wide on the FT, nice.

I think QJs probably isn't really bad in a vacuum (not so good with a laggy image). I did try to get the situation into SnGWiz but the inflexibility of the ranges makes it a bit off, you would have had a more 'speculative' suited type holding than the range available in Wiz. With 180 structure and $ev it was pretty bad even when the two villains were folding 60+% of the starting hand range (~ 30% opening, 10% calling) - I suspect it is better than wiz says though. I can't remeber the exact range I got but it was tight, something like 99+ AQ+, the $EV diff was about -0.3 with QJs (I put in a variety of stacks for the other players)
I think the weak player having more Ax types and yours being more 'speculative' helps a bit so the range from FaceMyAlterEgo does look good as a standard if still a bit wide from the Wiz viewpoint. A lot depends on knowing how wide the big stack is playing though, if up at 50% with still a tightish call range you can widen it quite a bit nearly up to mine!