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JIMMERZZZ

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PokerStars Hand #82799113534: Tournament #580639809, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (200/400) - 2012/07/03 17:52:57 CET [2012/07/03 11:52:57 ET]
Table '580639809 137' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Siton11 (8085 in chips)
Seat 2: ob1wahn (3514 in chips)
Seat 3: ALFA5005 (14031 in chips)
Seat 4: maitreguy (5239 in chips)
Seat 5: demka333 (11160 in chips)
Seat 6: cojs (4696 in chips)
Seat 7: ZodiakGB (24823 in chips)
Seat 8: KevinThorn (6042 in chips)
Seat 9: JimmyLane90 (12086 in chips)
Siton11: posts the ante 50
ob1wahn: posts the ante 50
ALFA5005: posts the ante 50
maitreguy: posts the ante 50
demka333: posts the ante 50
cojs: posts the ante 50
ZodiakGB: posts the ante 50
KevinThorn: posts the ante 50
JimmyLane90: posts the ante 50
ZodiakGB: posts small blind 200
KevinThorn: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JimmyLane90 [Qd Qh]
JimmyLane90: raises 419 to 819
Siton11: calls 819
ob1wahn: folds
ALFA5005: folds
maitreguy: calls 819
demka333: folds
cojs: calls 819
ZodiakGB: calls 619
KevinThorn: calls 419
*** FLOP *** [5h 5d 6c]
ZodiakGB: checks
KevinThorn: checks
JimmyLane90: bets 2199
Siton11: folds
maitreguy: calls 2199
cojs: raises 1628 to 3827 and is all-in
ZodiakGB: raises 20127 to 23954 and is all-in
KevinThorn: folds
JimmyLane90: folds
maitreguy: folds
Uncalled bet (20127) returned to ZodiakGB
*** TURN *** [5h 5d 6c] [6h]
*** RIVER *** [5h 5d 6c 6h] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ZodiakGB: shows [Ts Th] (two pair, Tens and Sixes)
cojs: shows [Jd Jc] (two pair, Jacks and Sixes)
JimmyLane90 said, "lmao"
cojs collected 17416 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 17416 | Rake 0
Board [5h 5d 6c 6h 3h]
Seat 1: Siton11 folded on the Flop
Seat 2: ob1wahn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ALFA5005 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: maitreguy folded on the Flop
Seat 5: demka333 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: cojs (button) showed [Jd Jc] and won (17416) with two pair, Jacks and Sixes
Seat 7: ZodiakGB (small blind) showed [Ts Th] and lost with two pair, Tens and Sixes
Seat 8: KevinThorn (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: JimmyLane90 folded on the Flop

Posted 11 months ago

OMGClayDol

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Def don't fold, they can have a tonne of worse overpairs in their range, very rarely better and hands like 87 sometimes too. I didn't look at results before writing this btw

Posted 11 months ago

BaseMetal

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To make it a bit more readable I plugged it through the Hand History format.

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t50 - 9 players - View hand 1812236
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UTG+1: t8085 M = 7.70
UTG+2: t3514 M = 3.35
MP1: t14031 M = 13.36
MP2: t5239 M = 4.99
CO: t11160 M = 10.63
BTN: t4696 M = 4.47
SB: t24823 M = 23.64
BB: t6042 M = 5.75
Hero (UTG): t12086 M = 11.51

Pre Flop: (t1050) Hero is UTG with Q Diamond Q Heart
Hero raises to t819, UTG+1 calls t819, 2 folds, MP2 calls t819, 1 fold, BTN calls t819, SB calls t619, BB calls t419

Flop: (t5364) 5 Heart 5 Diamond 6 Club (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t2199, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls t2199, BTN raises to t3827 all in, SB raises to t23954 all in, BB folds, Hero folds, MP2 folds

Turn: (t17416) 6 Heart (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t17416) 3 Heart (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t17416
BTN shows J Diamond J Club (two pair, Jacks and Sixes)
SB shows T Spade T Heart (two pair, Tens and Sixes)
BTN wins t17416

It is moderately close but as the Btn was quite short and could easily push with a wide range, SB could still re-push quite wide it is still a call. If both players had you covered it would take about 30% equity to make the call chip break even, as one has a bit less this will effectively lower the needed equity a bit. My best guess is that you need 25 to 28% equity to make the call profitable so you could check with PokerStove. There are a few ways for the SB to have a 5 but also many other possibilities (I would discount JJ to AA for both players even though it works out that TT & JJ were the hands as both Btn and the SB would be likely to raise these preflop. Quite a strange and unusual hand really Smile )

Posted 11 months ago

JIMMERZZZ

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kissmyaxe76

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When the big stack ISO raised he would probably not do this with better than QQ. He might some times but mostly not I think.

How did the button not squeeze pre there?

Posted 11 months ago

JIMMERZZZ

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Yea i know the hand was really weird and i was uncertain as to what range of hands they had....yea looking back i think it was probably a call as sb was playing like 48/27 over 80 hands....

Posted 11 months ago

terryfan

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2 dollar tournament means over pair on that board = the nuts...

Posted 11 months ago




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