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Drakum

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$1,000 Guaranteed Freezeout No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75.00/t150.00 Blinds - 7 players

Hero (BB): t12779.00 85.19 BBs
UTG: t1055.00 7.03 BBs
UTG+1: t1310.00 8.73 BBs
MP: t3321.00 22.14 BBs
CO: t3354.00 22.36 BBs
BTN: t2135.00 14.23 BBs
SB: t6276.00 41.84 BBs

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is BB with 7 Club 2 Heart
5 folds, SB raises to t300.00, Hero calls t150

Flop: (t600) 5 Heart 7 Diamond 2 Spade (2 players)
SB bets t150.00, Hero raises to t750.00, SB calls t600

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Villain was 59/19 over 4k hands and was being extremely spastic the last 4-5 tournaments I had seen him play in.

Based on my play versus him he should have me pegged as a tagish/lagish type.. have not gotten out of line with him (that I can recall )

He had B/F on the last 4 hands I had obsrved him play, after his small bet I just wanted to end it with my raise and move onto the next hand.

When he calls , well to be honest I didnt know what to think. And then something even more odd (IMO) occurs.

Turn: (t2100) J Heart (2 players)
SB bets t5601 all in, Hero............????


I would assume here he is holding either QQ+ , Js, 5s .. 7s or 2s are possible of course.. AJ ? The only hand I saw him do something similar he wound up having a pair of Ks , which turned to set on the river.. Thoughts ?

Posted 12 months ago

PrinzVonHapunkt

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I think he has QQ+, JJ, 55, 77, 22 close to never and I think hero should snapcall here and expect to see loads of gutshots, openenders, small pairs (+ FDs sometimes)

but I think what needs the most attention is this:

after his small bet I just wanted to end it with my raise and move onto the next hand


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78/micro-stakes-full-ring/cotw-reasons-bet-645508/
should get you started, also Mathematics of NLHE here on DC will help because imo mathematical understanding helps bringing reason to this game

oh and of course Running the Streets (at least E01 and E02 if I remember correctly)

Posted 12 months ago

Drakum

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Actually that statement is compressed from my thoughts during play..

i.e. ME " Well I am a donk for that 27 call but hey i hit 2 pair.. you bet 150 into 600(I've seen you bet small and wilt to raises even if you have shown high cards)... Probably have AJ+ or maybe even Ks/Qs .. prob not As. you would have raised more PF., small raises dont seem to affect you.. so I will make it a little larger than normal. 750 should do it "

I do appreciate the links, believe I have read these over. But will do so again , refreshers are never a bad thing.

What did I do and what happened ? I will tell you soon enough

Posted 12 months ago

HJD

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this is one of the easiest calls ever. also raise flop for value, not to get him to fold.

Posted 12 months ago

Drakum

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I did not snapcall but I did indeed call, I mean honestly what on earth can this guy have??!? I am certainly not beat at this moment.

Hero shows 7 Club 2 Heart
SB shows A Spade J Club

About what was suspected..I honestly thought if he had AJ it would be suited.

Now to my other observation/question.. I see this type of move being made all over the tourneys (this all in shove with 40BB+ in seemingly random spots). I see it at all blind levels from all types of players (granted I play lower level stakes.. prob full of fish and idiots.. perhaps me being one of them).. but I do not yet understand the thought process behind doing this (from a fish I can somewhat see this mentality.. YIPEE I have TPTK get it all in .. I guess.. I dont think like this though so I am baffled bythe thought process) . I am sure it is beyond any 1 reply to answer this , as I am certain player/play/position/stack size etc affect this..but maybe some videos that could help explain this.

Thanks again

Posted 12 months ago

Drakum

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Sorry, I am not talking about fold equity.. this is different .. its like a spaz move but again I see it all the time now.. everyone getting spazzy ?

Posted 12 months ago

Drakum

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As an aside, I am playing in a tourney and I saw it again from a somewhat solid player (25/18/3/7) over 2.5k hands 28BB vs 32BB .. holding A7o from middle position vs an UTG raiser which is just a solid over a larger sample.. UTG holding AKs .. I am not understanding.. perhaps as 1 person said in chat .. he had to catch the bus ?

Maybe these stats are wrong or something

Posted 12 months ago

BaseMetal

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i.e. ME " Well I am a donk for that 27 call but hey i hit 2 pair.. you bet 150 into 600(I've seen you bet small and wilt to raises even if you have shown high cards).


The preflop call with 42bb relative stacks is poor even with a spazzy player imo.
After that it all looks fine and against this player I would have no problem calling the turn all-in.

Posted 12 months ago

rrumsey

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