---

Poker Video: MTT/SNG by KRANTZ (Micro/Small Stakes)

Hey krantz great vid. I would love to hear your thoughts on limping in late stages of mtts.

I have been theorizing in my head about 16-22bb stacks and potential limp/call, limp/jam, and limp/fold ranges. Not only from late position, but mid and early as well. Standard as of late has been to fold small pp's in early position at this stack depth, and add more broadways as steal's to the equation. Do you think it is possible to create a wider and more profitable early position range, by limping everything? If so, what is a rough estimate of that range based on tough reg filled table?

My thinking is that we gain much of the same respect as opening, yet we get the opportunity to put in less $, and view the whole tables decisions. I also think that it puts people in difficult situations with hands like broadways, that can't call a limp/jam, so they have to limp behind. Not really a factor at passive or weak tables, as I think opening will work better, but when 3bet stats are running wild, I think this idea might be best. Thoughts?

Edit: I think it creates more areas for us to exploit or opponents.

Hey krantz great vid. I would love to hear your thoughts on limping in late stages of mtts.

I have been theorizing in my head about 16-22bb stacks and potential limp/call, limp/jam, and limp/fold ranges. Not only from late position, but mid and early as well. Standard as of late has been to fold small pp's in early position at this stack depth, and add more broadways as steal's to the equation. Do you think it is possible to create a wider and more profitable early position range, by limping everything? If so, what is a rough estimate of that range based on tough reg filled table?

My thinking is that we gain much of the same respect as opening, yet we get the opportunity to put in less $, and view the whole tables decisions. I also think that it puts people in difficult situations with hands like broadways, that can't call a limp/jam, so they have to limp behind. Not really a factor at passive or weak tables, as I think opening will work better, but when 3bet stats are running wild, I think this idea might be best. Thoughts?

Edit: I think it creates more areas for us to exploit or opponents.

Do I think it is possible to create a wider and more profitable early position range by limping everything? Yes it is possible. But I think the table conditions where that would occur would have to be very specific. If you have a tough reg filled table and are limping in EP, the regs are going to be very wary, especially if they are paying attention to your stack size. They won't raise you often enough for you to be able to limp/jam--you'll just start to see people limping behind, or raise only when they have a hand they're OK getting in for those stack sizes.

OK I just now saw your second paragraph. If people are 3-betting constantly I'd probably prefer tightening up and continuing to raise/fold or raise/call or raise/3b AI--unless I had some really ambitious and aggressive players behind me who I thought would raise my limps too often. Then I would start limping. Situations in which I usually limp the most in tournaments are late game when I'm trying to steal blinds and the blinds are constantly shoving or reraising my opens--in that case I limp and have position when we check to the flop, or limp and get to jam when they make a raise from the blinds.

Cliff notes: I agree you can have a good limping strategy, but I wouldn't limp in EP unless I thought the table was not adjusting properly to it. If I had a hunch this was possible I'd limp a hand and see what happens, and if it seemed like that strategy was working I'd expand my range to include more hands. I'm not sure I would ever limp every hand though--I think most tourney regs are too smart to not adjust after awhile, so raising some hands and limping others would keep them as confused as possible.

some good info once the video got started but way too much time spent on the intro.

sounds like u really put a lot of effort into making this video.......c'mon man