25nl 4 tabling - Any reviews welcome

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InverseX
Pair of Deuces
132 posts
Joined 07/08

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ENC8BPOK

Hi all,

Firstly let me say I don't realise how much of a tool I sound like until I listen to myself on video, but there you go lol. This is an hour video of me 4 tabling at 25nl. Overall I'm a break even player at 25nl, with rakeback being my saviour. If anyone would take the time to have a look at the video and see if they could spot any leaks it would be greatly appreciated.

I'd also say sometimes looking at other people's game can help your own in some cases, so hopefully you get something out of it as well.

On a final note I used camtasia auto setup for the volume which imo came through a bit high, you may need to turn it down a bit.

Cheers, and thanks for taking the time to look at it.

Posted Aug 22, 2008 11:24pm

Hielko
Quad Deuces
1162 posts
Joined 07/08

I'm going to download the vid, makes me sad that there are no comments yet...

Posted Aug 24, 2008 9:51pm

Hielko
Quad Deuces
1162 posts
Joined 07/08

General:

- I think you probably can steal more, when you are in the sb and in the bb is a 15/15 type player you can raise a super wide range. I often play any 2 here, but you can certainly start raising more then you do now.

- I think you can stab a bit more in limped pots. If it's hu on a Q32r flop and you check and villain checks, you can fire the turn with any 2.

Hands:

5:50, table 3: A 20bb stack minraises preflop while you have 99. Just get it in preflop. Trying to play postflop probably is going to result in you making bad folds on some board or him not playing for stacks when he misses. When you say that you probably can get away from the hand on a K63r board my point is proven: this is one of the best flops possible because it's super hard for him to hit. When a 20bb stack 3bets you preflop you should be folding or shoving in general.

6:55, table 4: You hit TP2K on a K54r flop and you cbet 1.75 in a 1.90 dollar pot against a 50bb stack. I would bet a bit less here, to give him some room to make really bad calls or stupid bluffs. If he has some kind of hand it's still easy to get the money in on the turn and river because his stack is small (but even against bigger stacks I bet less here in general, just because it's so hard for them to have hit a board like this with a 2nd best hand).

7:25, table 4: Here you bet 1:50 in a 1.95 dollar pot on a 545 two flush board with KK. This is a better spot to bet more, because he can have a lot of draws here or better made hands that are calling (22-33/66-TT mainly). On the river, I would shove here as played. If he has some weak pair he's probably not calling often because the K is scary for him (people love to put you on AK) and if he has a flush he is never folding, but you can't be sure that he is going to raise your bet.

9:21, table 3: the sb limps and you have 44 in the bb. I would just raise here and c-bet almost every flop. This is probably +ev with any 2, but having pocket 4's is even better because you can flop sets if he decides not to fold. As played, you certainly have to raise this flop. You want to start building a pot and there are a ton of straightdraws that can call your raise. On the turn you don't even consider that he can easily have the straight now, I only hear you talking about 'what is the best way to extract'. I'm wouldn't be raising here, call and hope to hit a full house on the river. If you call and he pots again on the river I would probably fold without a full house...

11:09, table 4: You turn an oesd+oc in a limped pot on the turn, this is a must bet in my book. Villain is going to fold a ton and even when you get called you have great equity

Posted Aug 24, 2008 10:24pm

caderousse
Deuce High
40 posts
Joined 01/08

The ATs hand. I don't know if you realized it but on the river the board paired which means you're splitting with any Ace that's not AK.

I would have gotten it in on the turn, but on that river you were getting 3:1 on a river call there. You only have to be right 1/4 of the time and I think 1/4 of the time villain shows up with AJ, AQ, etc there. Sometimes he'll have AK but A7 is very unlikely (since the board is paired), and A3 just got counterfeited.

If the board doesn't pair I can see folding the river there, but once it pairs and the pot is so big I believe you have to call.

I'll post more comments as I watch. Good vid though!

p.s. where'd you get your card mod? It's sweet.

Posted Aug 27, 2008 1:31pm

InverseX
Pair of Deuces
132 posts
Joined 07/08

Very good point caderousse,

I did actually completely miss that and didn't realise. I think once you do factor in the AJ/AQ part of his range which I was mainly worried about was a split, it becomes an almost mandatory call.

+1 for board reading skills, cheers.

Posted Aug 28, 2008 6:29am

Blixx
Deuce High
37 posts
Joined 03/08

Downloading, I'll definitely check it out over the weekend and I'm going to avoid reading anyone's comments until then.

Posted Aug 29, 2008 8:59pm

ybother
Deuce High
54 posts
Joined 01/08

I watched the first 50 minutes...

Overall, you make solid reads on most situations. You could benefit from stealing more from the cut off and button. Also, see my note at 12:25 about betsizing, I think that will help you.

~ 5 minutes, fold or shove the 99 versus the guy with 20bbs, i like shoving

~ 7 min, I like a river bet that is closer to pot given his possible calling range, with this betsize you can get more value form the lesser parts of his range (pairs etc)

~8 min, okay to keep raising 44

~ 9:50 this is a board you can stab at to take down more dead money

~ 11:30 Call with ATcc is okay here multi-way with position

~12:25 table 1, sounds nitty but a 1.25 cbet is good here, you will have the same fold equity with less money at stake, after the turn you should bet more closer to 4, and bet 9sih on the river after he calls the turn (valuetown baby)

In essence you have some room to bet less without a hand (cbetting) and room to bet more when you have one. Players here are not observant enough to pick up on this and you can save money with the first and increase your winrate with more aggressive betsizing

~14:20 I like the open of T9o only its a full raise, min raising in the cut off at 25nl is hard to pull off since most players are so loose pre-flop

~ 16:30 I think you can stab with 78hh on that flop, your hand has some equity if called

~ 20:20 you can bet more like 8 dollars w AA on table 2

~22, I think you can raise 76 suited on the button versus an open limp and overcall, this is a spot where you can look strong versus very weak pre flop play, despite your hand being just 76suited

~ 25minutes, at this point I noticed table 2 was pretty nitty for 25nl, I would swap it out, the loosest opponent is a shortstack

~ 27:40 I dont like your cbet on the 649dd board w KTcc multiway because of the short stack yet to act. This is interesting because it is the stated reason why you did not cbet the hand before.


~ 30:40 table 3 I like a raise with ATss over the flop cbet and play for stacks, as played the turn call is fine, his turn cr makes me think hes got every Ax crushed (a set or AK), its tight fold on the river but I cryingly fold

~30:48 table 2, you were in a big hand elsewhere but you missed a cbet there with qjhh

~36 overcalling a6hh is too weak and gets to many raises from observant regulars, raise it or fold it

~ 38 you can open a4dd in cutoff, this is an example where you can work on widening your stealing range form the cutoff and button

~ 42 on table 3, w AQ you should raise a little more when out of position versus loose bad players for value, raise to 1.50

Posted Aug 31, 2008 8:24pm