More LHE HUHU video for your viewing pleasure
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- iplaylimit
- Deuces Full
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723 posts
Joined 04/07
First thing first, the link to the video:
VIDEO LINK
And a short story. There is no audio in this video because I won't be able to play well if I have to talk.
I ran into this guy on the table and ended up playing a very long session.
He basically plays two games. BTN he plays pretty standard, a little weak-tight perhaps (notice he checks the turn a fair amount). SB he is the 3bet everything-barrel-you-until-you-fold-maniac (He barrel K8 on Axxxx board with no pair including the river). Not my optimal game I reckon, but he was running well and showed down a lot of pairs in 3bet pots. And I'm stuck. And there is no one else here but me to take him down.
So I fire up my video recorder, and tell myself that now someone is watching I have to play better. I also made the usual adjustments: tighten up (just a little) pf, let him barrel, throw in more semi-bluff on the turn (but it seems he know how to deal with it just fine). Make stupid hero-call with 9 high on KQTTx board, nothing really works.
Still, nothing changes. It's about time to quit, but I am still pretty sure he's not that good, so I pulled out another little adjustment out of my already-empty-pocket. Yes, I have not tried this move before.
Observe the dramatic +ev-ness of the move (yeah and I ran well too, but it turned out to be huge +ev anyways). And it's not that this move is "better" than my others in a vacuum, it's because my opponent finally failed to adjust properly to it. And now I got another tool in my HUHU-kit.
I'm not going to go back and record audio, so you can just watch the hands. I played some of them horribly especially the first 5 min or so, I hope you don't get turned off by that. Any comments are welcomed. If you enjoy this, please post something (anything) so I know you want to see more of this.
- DeathDonkey
- Founder
- Quad Deuces
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2127 posts
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I flipped through it, the adjustment was capping light preflop? I'm not seeing it otherwise except you ran better at the end. Didn't you see Mano a Mule I talked a lot about chronic 3 bettors.
-DeathDonkey
- iplaylimit
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Yes DD I saw it, but I haven't have enough experience with this kind of opponent to see about how much I need to cap.
What happened is once I start capping, he starts to check-fold when he miss and donks out when he has a pair, which makes him super easy to play against....if he just keep on donking or c/ring every flop he'd still be difficult to play against.
Also I just post it here to see if there is interest in this. I don't think I'll be able to play HUHU and record commentaries until I get more comfortable, so it's either this or no HUHU video from me.
- jajvirta
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698 posts
Joined 03/07
Also I just post it here to see if there is interest in this. I don't think I'll be able to play HUHU and record commentaries until I get more comfortable, so it's either this or no HUHU video from me.
Why don't you just record the audio afterwards?
- iplaylimit
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Laziness, and more important extra time imo.
If adding commentary will make this significantly better I'll consider making a short video for testing, let me know.
- sweetjazz3
- Deuce High
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85 posts
Joined 02/07
About to run out so I can't make a long post right now, but you did a lot of things fundamentally wrong against this type of opponent. (In fairness, I have only skimmed the video and watched more at the beginning where you admit to playing less than your A game.) Such an opponent can be quite frustrating to play when he either coolers you a bunch or you can't make a hand with much showdown value.
Definitely watch DD's video where he plays Ali Nejad in Mano a Mule. He gives a lot of good pointers for playing against such an opponent. In particular, you need to understand the value of open limping and inducing bluffs against this type of opponent.
A couple of really bad things I noticed:
* You opened 72s OTB when he was clearly 3 betting any two preflop.
* You defend K6o on a flop of K73r (or something similar) and check/raise the flop. You need to be check/calling here and check/raising the turn or river. You are not concerned about giving free cards and you need to balance your flop peeling range.
Because you gave away the strength of your hand so frequently, your opponent was able to value bet you really light when you took passive lines and get away from some hands (or slow down with weak hands he intended to showdown) when you had strong hands. Fortunately, he spewed a fair amount and made some truly horrendous plays of his own, but his style could have given you real trouble if he was a better hand reader.
- iplaylimit
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Hey, the more leaks you find the better 
1) I definitely agree, 72s is definitely a money looser against this person
2) He checks turn behind (when he has the button) a lot, so I'm not sure slowplaying a monster is a good idea against him, at least that's how I felt when playing against him. As I said he plays very differently from BTN vs from BB. Again my read could be off, I wonder if this changes how you feel about this?
I watched that EP twice but now that having how this guy plays fresh in mind, I suspect it'll be useful to revisit it!
- sweetjazz3
- Deuce High
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2) He checks turn behind (when he has the button) a lot, so I'm not sure slowplaying a monster is a good idea against him, at least that's how I felt when playing against him. As I said he plays very differently from BTN vs from BB. Again my read could be off, I wonder if this changes how you feel about this?
I'd have to watch the video more carefully, but I guess as a general principle if you're going to peel a lot of flops out of position, then I think you need to not check/raise all of your strong hands on the flop. And check/calling a K with a weak kicker on a K73 flop balances nicely when you want to peel with A4, QT, 65, etc.
The other option is to check/raise more with your marginal peeling hands, but this is tricky if your opponent likes to put in a lot of action.
Just from watching a small sampling of your video, it seemed like you were often calling with weak high card hands trying to get to showdown cheaply while raising right away with your second pair+ hands. I think you want to strike more of a balance in your range, and one way to do this is to delay raising with some of your strong hands (allowing you to induce more bluffs when your opponent has nothing). Out of position, this is trickier than when you are in position.
Note that if you check/call with your Kx and your opponent checks behind
and folds to a river bet, he often wasn't going to call your check/raise anyway, so you gain or lose nothing. Suppose the final board runs out as K73 - 2 - 9 and your opponent has 98. He was aggressive enough to raise the river to your bet (trying to get value out of your 7x and 3x hands) and you can get in a 3 bet. Or maybe if you check the turn and check the river back again, he value bets light and calls a check/raise. I would need to watch your video more closely to try to get a read as to what line is best against your opponent, but I do think you want to give him some rope when he is in an overaggro mode (which I realize was not quite as dramatic as when he was in position).
Hope that comment helps; just something to think about the next time you encounter a very aggressive opponent who likes to bet-bet-bet when you show weakness. (I played such an opponent this morning, who basically bet away his chips on the button and ended up frequently firing several barrels with nothing as well as calling a big street check/raise with a weak holding because he couldn't hand read or was simply unwilling to ever allow himself to be bluffed off a hand.)
- MickeyWins
- Quad Deuces
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Joined 07/07
I agree with a lot of what sweetjazz says.
some other random thoughts.
1)early, your opponent was running better and seemed to be also dictating tempo,
which does go hand in hand. You had to react to him.
2)you cant make a move until you are able to show him a winner.
3) you got a bit fancy a coupld times, when I am not so sure its warranted.
once you find what beats him. stick with that until he adjusts.
4) you missed several VB's on the river, this goes with number 3
5) your adjustment of 4 betting light.
While it worked here, cause of two things, 1) you ran good when capping 2) villain gave up way too easy and you did not have to show many capped hands.
I guess I am warning you..
Dont expect this adjustment to work often. This guy is one of a kind if you ask me.
normally, all you would end up doing is playing all capped pots, with lots of capped flops, etc...
- iplaylimit
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Mickey, sweetjazz
I think what you say makes a lot of sense. I'll make another video later (with comments I hope) and see if I'll play better, also you may see me playing some different types.
And thanks for spending time to watch the video and posting here.
- grantkropf
- Set of Deuces
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379 posts
Joined 05/08
This opponent is super aggressive and obviously a gambler. I'd make quick calls and wait for river to raise in some cases. I would do this as early as possible in the match, it lets him know that you could be peeling with strong hands and it will make him throttle down the aggression. Hands that are played strange like that leave an impression on the guy.
It seems to me a lot of people forget you're playing another person on the end, not some bot. A person that likes to gamble; a conservative person - whatever. You learn the style that is that person's worst nightmare.
For a gamble-bluffer their worst nightmare is a passive guy that check calls to trap when they know the bluffer will not have a strong enough hand to call a raise but will bet if checked to.
One other thing, I noticed you bluff raising turn a couple times with no chance of winning. This is the worst opponent to bluff raise - he is showdown bound with any pair and you can't push him off. Just value raise, forget about bluffing, this guy is a spewniac.