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PrinzVonHapunkt

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general note: I wouldnt openraise potsize otb, especially with not-really-horrible players in the blinds because they coldcall less so 3bet more and if you raise potsize you put more dead money in /cant call that much ip because of SPR, can't steal with as wide of a range
but even vs loose passives I'd raise only 3x because I feel like 3.5xing does decrease their coldcalling frequency in the blinds and you do want them in the pot with hands that make shitty pairs / check-fold to cbets

00:35 55 hand I think raising is fine (although I'd raise smaller because we dont have that much equity / are not happy getting it in and just because he's folding what he's folding for less), although I'm not that thrilled, just because donks like that are rare (overcards dont do this that much for example) and usually donk/calls or -3bets and usually with a range that either crushes 55 or has huge equity and we wont even go to SD always (we most likely end up checking any turn except for a 5 and if he bets the river some % we cant call this a valueraise anymore)

once he 3bets I'd be done with the hand, for the reasons above

1:07 KQ tbl 3:
I'd cbet smaller because I feel like crappy Pairs / crappy draws are just chc way less to a pscb than to a 2/3 cbet for example and except for that there's not much to get value from anyway on that board

and if he had those in his range you could have even vbet the turn (I think he's not calling that many suited combos in the blinds to make his range ott too skewed towards flushes) to get value from 9x9h for example although that might be a little thin because he doesnt seem to be really loose and shitty because he hasnt limped

on the river I think that's a snapfold because I think otf he calls Qx, might slowplay some sets, some FDs like AJhh, QJhh, KQhh, QThh and I think from that range he really has no bluffingrange because I think Qx thinks it has SD value, the rest bets and beats you

2:16 table 4: fold that KTo, because you're oop and you never flop equity to chr, float or whatever and you can just flop some bluffcatchers with reverse implied odds, not having any info on the guy makes it even worse (he could even by a total nit or passive minopening as a standard with a range that you suck total donkeyballs against) and even if you are good at SD it usually goes like chc / ch / bet and he folds and I dont think you're priced in for that because you have to chf so much and get valuetowned also

2:49 table 1: I'd open A4s, although a fold is probably good too because the players to most likely call you are ip

table 3: did you misread the board? Because if he did have A2 you wouldnt want him to stick his money in, would you? Smile

btw to me this looks a lot like either weakish Ax (havent seen that many good top pairs play like this but with this stacksize he could just try to protect or whatever) but most of the time I think this is some pair+draw like 33 that will call it off 100% otf so get value imo and dont let him freeroll because I think that's never a pure bluff

3:27 table 3: I'd open 34o because people just like to opencomplete / fold the SB a lot and if they dont, they have so much crap, they chf the flop a lot and that offsets your bs hand imo

I think the flop fold is fine because on a 7 you might not get much value because of the scary board and your outs will probably not be clean either

3:51 Why does the value of JTs go up 3handed unopened in the SB vs 6handed unopened in the SB?

5:30 I think his play is actually not that horrible because you should be value3betting him a shit ton so you're folding to a 4bet quite a lot which means he's making money on his 4bet, but I think 4betting smaller and folding to a shove is better and calling AKs ip because it dominates loads of your value3betting range and flips with most of it and since he's ip he's able to float / raise whatever in a pretty big pot by then and you're gonna be in a world of hurt (which means you might consider cbetting less if he's really wild postflop)

btw if your range for getting it in is AK and QQ+ you are not only chopping 30%

6:59 table 4: I dont like calling with the ATo because 1) this utg guy is tight, it very well could go multiway with the loose blinds so what you do flop is usually pretty crappy because you're never happy vbetting (the fact that their checking ranges will be stronger when they chc makes it worse too) if you flop either pair and in a multiway pot someone always has you beat or a draw with shitload equity

but I do like 3betting to iso this whale, he probably gets it in otf always with dominated pairs, draws and he's also gonna chf a ton I assume and utg will probably fold enough to make it profitable

and he probably turns his range face up if he does coldcall because most 10NL nits / regs dont do what they probably should do (slowplaying KK/AA to keep this whale and your loose squeezes)

8:14 table 4: If you dont love that you hit an ace you probably shouldnt open this because since it flops no draw ever you cant love anything it does hit (I mean every hand hits trips+) and I also doubt

I think a set of sevens or A7 wouldnt play the flop and turn this way (bet turn most of the time) donks are more pairs, pair+draws ime, I also think if he did want to slowplay AJ or something he wouldnt lead or not that big otr
I think he does want to represent just that that and I think his busted spades and crappy pairs outweigh his rare Ax+

also the fact that he snap-acted on every street makes me even more likely to snapfistpumpcall because I doubt that someone doesnt think about slowplaying and plans to play the nuts this way and is more likely to spazz this way

enough from me for now, gtg but hope this helps

Posted about 1 year ago

Kuval

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wow thanks man! Lemme read all this, that's very in depth!

First question, what is SPR? Grin

Posted about 1 year ago

strukl

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Kuval

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I appreciate it a lot- especially the detail you took to look into so many hands in the first 8 minutes. I do think the 55 was probably a long-term fold and I probably made him fold the better hand. (I bet he had like A7s or something)

I concur with the folding of the KQ in the 2nd hand... but you gotta understand that I'm newly returned to poker and I need to really think the hands through. Nothing is a snap decision.

I misclick-called the KT hand, you hear me in the video being like "did I just..."

If he did have A2, due to his stack size I wouldn't be able to fold because of the times that he doesn't have A2. Many of my thoughts in the video were not completed because I'm not used to the quick-pace of playing 4 tables, let alone commenting on what's going on!

As far as the JT hand... when there are only 2 hands out there on a 3 handed table, the value of your cards go way up, and so does the power of betting (unless your opponents also quickly adjust, but I don't expect them to at this limit). So, should be self explanatory. Less hands = tougher to call bets = easier to steal = a drawy hand like JT is the nuts because we can play the hand very comfortably OOP assuming our opponent didn't adjust.

As for the KK shove, true, I tried to comment on how it's not quite so bad. I still don't love it because @ 10nl, these moves just never happen without QQ+. Less than probably 10% of the time you see people stack off for over 120bb do you see someone showup with AK. That's what I was trying to say.

For the 2:49 hand where I said that guy has A2 sometimes, you need to elaborate on what you're talking about when you say it looks like protection. In fact, throughout your post you assume I have much of the same poker-thinking you do, and it's definitely not the case. As a returning player, I find myself at a loss most of the time as to what I should be thinking throughout a hand- which is resulting in me being breakeven at the moment.

Totally not comfortable calling AT against that guy who just stacked off preflop w/ AJos. We've witnessed him shove in with a horrible hand for 100ish bb, I don't mind playing him in position and I don't mind folding and I think squeezing with a hand like ATos with players in the dark still to act preflop... i hate 3b the most.

I do not understand your analysis of hand 8:14 at all, and think it's quite wrong because dry aces are in his calling range... and our kicker isn't amazing, as well, he could be playing Ks7s- which makes him fine with jamming. When I say I don't necessarily like it, it doesn't mean I don't want to get to showdown. I just hate going into a pot with a laggro player (until that 2nd ace boinks) because I have no idea where he's at.

Also, I've noticed I've accidently said things like BDFD when I meant BDSD, and conversely a few times throughout the video. Heh!

Oh well. Still learning!

I've made a lot of progress this week.

Posted about 1 year ago

PrinzVonHapunkt

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Sorry about me not hearing what you said but I turned it off to not get influenced Wink

A2: Yes agree with the not folding, I would have just put him in otf
I think a lot of those guys' reasons to bet with their Ax and especially with low pair+draws is just "to take the pot down" which is essentially protection against your overcard equity like KQo for example

About being 3way: But if everyone folds to you in a 9handed game on the button there are still the same number of cards out (except that it's probably a little more weighted towards better hands because the hands that have been folded to you have probably been crappy) than if it was 3handed and you were on the button.

About the squeeze with AT:
Imo it is very profitable, because some times you're going to take it down pre (you rep value because of the fish so utg will be more fold-happy and the blinds will probably also fold down to JJ+, AQs+) and most of the other times this whale will chf the flop or put it in with a crappy pair.

8:14: Yes he will have aces but I dont think someone is likely to play an ace or other nutty hands like A7,77 this (which means he might have aces on the flop, but they are way less likely on the turn and close to not-in-his-range on the river):
1)lead the flop
2)snap(!)check turn
3)snap(!)potsize(!)donkbet river

because first of all people do donkbet very infrequently with nuttish or top pair hands from my experience, most of them would also continue betting ott instead of snapchecking which looks a lot like mediumish pair or draw and if they do decide to slowplay the ace or nuts on the turn, almost nobody snapbets the river (usually guys do think before slowplaying either on the flop turn or river and if they snap act all it's hugely unlikely) and then so big (I mean they do want you to call)

Posted about 1 year ago

Kuval

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This video is now outdated, as I play differently. I also didn't entirely understand what you were saying from the 8:14 point and on, but it's not necessary to explain it because I don't think it's going to effect my play currently. Making a new video where I get rolled, but I don't really pickup a good hand.

Posted about 1 year ago




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