1/2 3 hands: 2. 2nd pair 3 bet pot

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JAXWY
Set of Deuces
398 posts
Joined 01/08

Hand 2: After losing the previous hand, I don't go on tilt and play str8 forward small ball for a bit cuz I don't want him to think I'm on tilt. But, for a while now I've been thinking his pf raises aren't that well balenced, or as balenced as his limps, because I feel he is more prone to raise garbage and some premium hand pf and limp medium/premium/garbage strength hands.

After seeing more showdown hands since my AhKh hand has really convinced me that I need to 3 bet more preflop. Just before this hand I had 3 bet him w/ K5s, he called and folded to a cbet. When this hand came up on my next button I really sensed that any cbet was gonna get raises. My question is, if I know I'm gonna get messed w/ and all I have is 2nd pair how bad is my shove? I don't think I really thought this through enough. If I think he's bluffing, should I continue to let him bluff? Honestly, my plan was to rebluff w/ any 2 at this point cuz I knew he was gonna raise, 100% certain of that. Did I miss value here? Didn't I just violate the rule that says, if you aren't gonna get a better hand to fold or a worse hand to call, don't raise? Well... I have more to say but will hear what you guys have to say first...

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

BTN/SB: $450.20
Hero (BB): $329.90

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with J 9
BTN/SB raises to $6, Hero raises to $22, BTN/SB calls $16

Flop: ($44.00) K 9 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $30, BTN/SB raises to $76, Hero raises to $307.90 all in, BTN/SB folds

Final Pot: $196.00
Hero mucks J 9
Hero wins $195.50
(Rake: $0.50)

effing replayer! My cards Jc9h Flop is Ks9d6h

Posted Aug 23, 2008 7:17pm

Mendez
Pair of Deuces
220 posts
Joined 02/08

There are times when that rule can be violated. There was an interesting discussion about this in some vid I saw recently (FWF 7?). They were talking about this kind of situation where you rebluff with a hand with sd value.

I think this is fine. Firstly, it's going to be quite hard to c/c this down. There are quite a few turn cards that can come that would make it even harder. Secondly, a flat call here looks super strong so it's doubtful if you get any more money out of his air range anyway. Thirdly, you sensed the raise before it came, and this is the kind of board where a lot of people will just call with their strong hands. So you shouldn't worry too much about being beat.

Posted Aug 24, 2008 10:31am

JAXWY
Set of Deuces
398 posts
Joined 01/08

There are times when that rule can be violated. There was an interesting discussion about this in some vid I saw recently (FWF 7?). They were talking about this kind of situation where you rebluff with a hand with sd value.

I think this is fine. Firstly, it's going to be quite hard to c/c this down. There are quite a few turn cards that can come that would make it even harder. Secondly, a flat call here looks super strong so it's doubtful if you get any more money out of his air range anyway. Thirdly, you sensed the raise before it came, and this is the kind of board where a lot of people will just call with their strong hands. So you shouldn't worry too much about being beat.



This was my inclination as well. What am I gonna do w/ any card 6 and above being a scare card except for a J or 9 if I flat his raise? Don't mind my play then... maybe some esle can add to this

Posted Aug 24, 2008 10:00pm

Stake Monster
Pair of Deuces
187 posts
Joined 01/08

They also mention in that video that it's best to turn marginal hands into bluffs when you have a very good idea of how your opponent plays. Since you were sure he'd raise you here, that would seem to be the correct spot to do it.

By flatting you might induce a barrel on the turn but, like you said, a lot of cards will look scary to you and make you fold, or improve his hand and you're stuck in a huge pot playing in the dark.

Posted Aug 25, 2008 12:25am

Sandmanpt
Deuce High
13 posts
Joined 02/08

I think this is actually very well played by your part.
Villain has to have a big hand to call here which he should have almoust never, seeing that he just called your 3bet and i would assume that he 4bets QQ+ and AK (?).
99 and 66 are possible but they are very rare.
If you have played solid game like you say this would look very strong and it would be easy to put you on AK,AA and he has to play accordingly.

If i were villain i would maybe call with KQ and hate it and fold KJ.

Posted Aug 26, 2008 7:17pm