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This guy is totally unknown. Its the fourth hand of our match.

In the first hand he pulled out a min-3-Bet and i folded w/ 5-high.
The second hand, i opened Q2o, i checked-back J42, called the Turn and we checked OTR following board J42TT. He showed J6s in this spots.

Is my line totally standard?


Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players - View hand 1820826
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BTN/SB: $55.72
Hero (BB): $50.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with K K
BTN/SB raises to $1, Hero raises to $4, BTN/SB calls $3

Flop: ($8.00) T 7 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, BTN/SB calls $5

Turn: ($18.00) T (2 players)
Hero bets $9, BTN/SB calls $9

River: ($36.00) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $32 all in

yes

Why standard? A little stoving says hell no, I'm even wondering about the turn; Is my river calling range for him wrong?


Board: Td 7s 6h 2d Th
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.270% 41.27% 00.00% 26 0.00 { KcKh }
Hand 1: 58.730% 58.73% 00.00% 37 0.00 { JJ-88, ATs, A7s, KTs, QTs, JTs, T8s+, 98s, 87s, 76s, ATo, KTo, QTo, JTo }

U need to compare the EV of checking with the EV of betting. Secondly I have no idea what villain's range is what I do know is that villain is likely to have a lot marginal hands OTR and if we want to apply pressure to his range we need to jam KK

Why standard? A little stoving says hell no, I'm even wondering about the turn; Is my river calling range for him wrong?


Board: Td 7s 6h 2d Th
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.270% 41.27% 00.00% 26 0.00 { KcKh }
Hand 1: 58.730% 58.73% 00.00% 37 0.00 { JJ-88, ATs, A7s, KTs, QTs, JTs, T8s+, 98s, 87s, 76s, ATo, KTo, QTo, JTo }

Also, if he is defending hands like J6s then he probably has more marginal hands in his range than you're giving him here.

U need to compare the EV of checking with the EV of betting. Secondly I have no idea what villain's range is what I do know is that villain is likely to have a lot marginal hands OTR and if we want to apply pressure to his range we need to jam KK

When you are value betting you need to be 50% or more versus a calling range, otherwise you lose $. Villain is almost never going to bluff here when we check so EV of checking is 0. EV of betting versus that calling range is negative. If you can find a looser calling range to a shove, tell us what you think, I couldn't.

Also, if he is defending hands like J6s then he probably has more marginal hands in his range than you're giving him here.

What's in his range doesn't matter when deciding what to do here, only what he calls a shove with.

When you are value betting you need to be 50% or more versus a calling range, otherwise you lose $. Villain is almost never going to bluff here when we check so EV of checking is 0. EV of betting versus that calling range is negative. If you can find a looser calling range to a shove, tell us what you think, I couldn't.

What's in his range doesn't matter when deciding what to do here, only what he calls a shove with.

both these two observations are wrong

The EV of checking is never 0 when you're not last to act.

The EV of checking is never 0 when you're not last to act.

It can only be 0 EV if we have 0% equity

Actually, if i think about it, i hate to check here. Because he is jamming only hands that beat me+ a bit AIR and checksback hands that i beat.

both these two observations are wrong

How is saying that if a calling range beats you more than 50% then you lose money betting? It's obvious

In some situations you can lose more money by not betting if you're likely to get bluffed and lose your equity of the pot, but in this spot where it's highly unlikely he's going to bluff worse and thus we realize our equity.

That's what I meant by EV of checking being 0, in practice it's like we have position because he's not going to make moves - it is phrased wrong in the technical sense though

Actually, if i think about it, i hate to check here. Because he is jamming only hands that beat me+ a bit AIR and checksback hands that i beat.

I came up with what I think a probably calling range by him will be, and it beats you. So you automatically lose money. If you think there's a realistic range that calls you which has less than 50% show it.

Why would you hate him jamming hands that beat us? You save money by not betting vs them. Hands we beat are not betting, and this is such a rare bluff spot we can discount it in practical terms.

@gamble if you think a little more about what you are saying I'm sure you will figure out why it is wrong.

@gamble if you think a little more about what you are saying I'm sure you will figure out why it is wrong.

That comment really isn't helping anything. If you have an argument proving my rationale wrong, just show it

That comment really isn't helping anything. If you have an argument proving my rationale wrong, just show it

Sorry no spoon feeding. Spend a couple of days thinking about why your argument is wrong. If you draw a blank then come back to this thread. I have already helped you a lot by telling you that your thought process is flawed.

If you dont jam KK here what does it tell villain about your range? Seems like it will be hard to rep much of anything in the future, except the nuts and total air.