Weeee, it must be friday !
In the series finale of Hoodie Wars, Vanessa analyzes the HU play of two special guests in a 2-tabling video: DeucesCracked's own DOGISHEAD and jsnipes28.
Member vs member heads up deathmatches with Vanessa officiating. The winner of each week's episode gets an official DeucesCracked hoodie.
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Weeee, it must be friday !
The A8s "lead" was actually a c/c on the flop. A few minutes were spent explaining irrelevant ideas. However, it does give good suggestions of how to play if you were to "lead" this flop.
Be good to have two extra vids from each coaches POV ;p
Vanessa I dont understand how you can say DogisHead doesnt expect Snipe to a bet that king on the turn if he has it ( On the 2/5/5 Board)... It's obv a card that he's going to fire as a bluff on the turn multiple time? For balencing sake......... Im just confused...
Nevermind rewatched, you stated he didnt expect him to bet King high On flop, Ok misunderstood sorry.
The A8s "lead" was actually a c/c on the flop. A few minutes were spent explaining irrelevant ideas. However, it does give good suggestions of how to play if you were to "lead" this flop.
Yes, indeed, it was a check/call. But I do like a lead in that spot with A8 on that board to mix it up and then all of my comments do apply.
oh also my apologies to dogishead whose name i for some reason got wrong - his real name is haseeb!
Was a fun vid since I played with both
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Great end for these great episodes.
Thanks
finally, some video proof of how bad i run!
ya that AQ hand sucked, but it's easy to just shove that in the moment when you think your opponent is frustrated with you and doesn't want to continue to fold. i guess maybe it's harder to lose your cool on video, but definitely that T kind of screwed up ranges. AA is probably also a check/fold, yet i feel like i couldn't stand to check/fold that hand.. ![]()
In our particular match shoving the AQ may have been a small mistake, but in general against <random opponent> i think it would usually be a bigger mistake to not shove that hand on that board--especially against people who are worse and/or defending lighter etc.
I agree that shoving T9o to the first 4b may have been the best play but that early in a match I will sometimes allow myself to get exploited in that spot as momentum is so key to the flow of a match and I thought it would be bad, and probably not recoverable via shania or w/e, to ship a stack his way that early.
I do disagree that I should shove the second KJo hand to a 4bet. I think it's very easy to level yourself into shoving there but after he has 4b once or twice and he does it again he is obviously going to have bluffed you at least 1/3 times. Trying to guess which at this point just becomes a bit of pointless rps (or fps) to me I think and you again allow yourself to make a mistake for a stack in what was a pretty tight and close match at that point.
And ya, sorry for sucking out DIH.
Want to elaborate on why you fired a 2nd with JJ and called it off? Think I'm usually raising most Ks on flop I assume?
Pretty happy to see you had top set at the end too, that was one of my bigger folds haha, glad it worked out.
Vanessa has mentioned in this vid and a couple of others the 25% fold equity figure when referring to 5bet shoving- i.e, that it's profitable to shove a lot of hands over a 4bet if he folds more than 25% of the time.
My calculation gets a figure of more like 50%:
if we 5bet shove hands like KQo, T9s, 77, etc, we're typically 30% against his calling range.
So, assuming 100bb stacks, and typical action being pfr to 3bb, 3bet to 10bb, 4bet to 25bb, then our EV when called is:
0.3(200)-90= -30
Our EV when he folds his the pot, or 35.
So he needs to fold more or less half the time for us to break even.
Obviously it's still profitable to shove these hands against most opponents (especially the first 4bet) since they a 4bet bluffing so much more than 4bet/calling for value.
But I wondered how Vanessa got her 25% figure.
Or maybe I've made a mistake somewhere?
Loved the series BTW.
Vanessa has mentioned in this vid and a couple of others the 25% fold equity figure when referring to 5bet shoving- i.e, that it's profitable to shove a lot of hands over a 4bet if he folds more than 25% of the time.
My calculation gets a figure of more like 50%:
if we 5bet shove hands like KQo, T9s, 77, etc, we're typically 30% against his calling range.
So, assuming 100bb stacks, and typical action being pfr to 3bb, 3bet to 10bb, 4bet to 25bb, then our EV when called is:
0.3(200)-90= -30
Our EV when he folds his the pot, or 35.
So he needs to fold more or less half the time for us to break even.
Obviously it's still profitable to shove these hands against most opponents (especially the first 4bet) since they a 4bet bluffing so much more than 4bet/calling for value.
But I wondered how Vanessa got her 25% figure.
Or maybe I've made a mistake somewhere?
Loved the series BTW.
ur right ive done many of the same ev calcs, vs tightish opponents 5bet jamming less than a pretty strong range is gonna be fairly spewish, and even vs lags u cant just go buck wild either
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