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Mentor: WiltOnTilt (#23) - 100NL with 2fouroffsuit Part 3

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Mentor: WiltOnTilt (#23) - 100NL with 2fouroffsuit Part 3 by 2fouroffsuit, WiltOnTilt

WiltOnTilt and 2fouroffsuit continue their review of the 100NL session.

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  • 44 minutes long
  • Posted about 1 year ago

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mange_e

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Some great spots to discuss in this video

When I cbet the 46s on 68Tcc,
Im more or less hoping to take it down right then and there.
Same thought process on the 67 - KQ6hh

If I check it to him and he fires the turn and the river its going to be extremely tough for me to call down, so Im basicilly trying to avoid a tough situation, by turning my hand into a bluff on the flop and misplaying my hand =D

I should propably be betting here more with more value and equity hands, and less with pure air and weak pair type hands. But at the same time I want to discuise my hand, and avoid playing it face up on later streets by checking it to him. So its kind of tough.


However..
What I took into consideration when I decided to shove the aces on the Q45dd was this:
1. He had been checkraising me alot, and could suspect me to get frustrated and to play back at him
2. It was a very draw-heavy board, and based the first sentence he could very well be putting me on alot of draws
3. From my experience, people tend to give me alot more credit when I 3bet smaller, than shoving in these spots
4. In that point of the match, I did not really know what he was checkraising with, but I defenitely included Q7s,Q8o+ the draws, and maybe even 66-88 which some people raise for value in that spot.
Based on all those factors I think it was a very big chance that he was calling me down light here.



About my 3betting, my general strategy when they start 3betting alot is often to start minraising, but still raise 100%. Then if he is still calling and raising around 50-60%, I would slim down my opening range and fold out the hands like Q3o

It might have taken my a little bit too long in this match, but I like to be sure before I decide to use a strategy like that

And I agree that I should have checked The K5cc on the A83r, I mostly do Smile

Posted about 1 year ago

A-LX

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In the end of the video with the K5cc on A83r, why do you prefer to check/back there? Wouldn't it always be +EV to bet against most people since other than Ax almost nothing is hitting there? I just checked it in flopzilla and even against a very tight bb defending range of 33% and assuming villain always calls any 1 pair hand on the flop he hits about 40- 45% of the time which still makes it a +EV bet.

Posted about 1 year ago

WiltOnTilt

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In the end of the video with the K5cc on A83r, why do you prefer to check/back there? Wouldn't it always be +EV to bet against most people since other than Ax almost nothing is hitting there? I just checked it in flopzilla and even against a very tight bb defending range of 33% and assuming villain always calls any 1 pair hand on the flop he hits about 40- 45% of the time which still makes it a +EV bet.



Did you also include him calling better K high?

Also, if we cbet these weak showdownable hands on dry boards, we run the risk of getting checkraised off the best hand too often (been a while since I recorded these so I can't recall if our villain was checkraising much).

Posted about 1 year ago

A-LX

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Did you also include him calling better K high?

Also, if we cbet these weak showdownable hands on dry boards, we run the risk of getting checkraised off the best hand too often (been a while since I recorded these so I can't recall if our villain was checkraising much).


No I did not, if add all stronger Khigh its a bit closer then he continues with 56%, however we have the backdoorflushdraw here, so I figured barreling would be a good option.

In the video you said the reason not to bet here, was that he could have a lot of Ax hands, because he only had 40% BBvpip, but I dont think that alone is reason enough not to bet here, because Ax is only a very small part of his range here.

I guess the only reason would be if he would also call all the good Qhigh hands, which is reasonable but then barreling would be more profitable because this villain wasn't check/raising that often.

Also if you do checkback here, how do you continue on the turn, don't you always have to give up then?

Posted about 1 year ago

zachd2323

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Do you think it would be a good adjustment to start opening less BTN's since we are getting ch/r OTF so often? It seems like since this is an adjustment we would make to getting 3b a lot pre, it would also be a good adjustment here as well. Otherwise, we are just getting to the flop with such a weak range that he can just ch/r us pretty much at will.

Posted about 1 year ago

zachd2323

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WiltOnTilt

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No I did not, if add all stronger Khigh its a bit closer then he continues with 56%, however we have the backdoorflushdraw here, so I figured barreling would be a good option.

In the video you said the reason not to bet here, was that he could have a lot of Ax hands, because he only had 40% BBvpip, but I dont think that alone is reason enough not to bet here, because Ax is only a very small part of his range here.

I guess the only reason would be if he would also call all the good Qhigh hands, which is reasonable but then barreling would be more profitable because this villain wasn't check/raising that often.

Also if you do checkback here, how do you continue on the turn, don't you always have to give up then?



I would usually call the turn if I checked behind Kx on the flop. Whether I call the river depends on how the board runs out, how thinly i think he can value bet, what i've seen him do previously, etc. You make some good points about the number of Ax and pairs he can have (plus also the K highs as I mentioned), so when you bet you want him to fold half the time (or thereabouts depending on equity/bet size) but when you check behind and call, you only need to be ahead about 1/3 of the time (again depending on equity and bet size) and you are one street closer to showdown.

If we have reason to think we can make a minorly -EV flop bet to set up very +EV later barrels, that could make a case for betting the flop even with some weak showdown value, but it's pretty tough to bet 2 and 3 barrel this type of board texture against a guy who is relatively tight oop unless you think you can get him off some of his weakest Ax by the river, which I wouldn't really count on by default.

Posted about 1 year ago

A-LX

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makes a lot of sense, thanks for the clear explanation

Posted about 1 year ago

Liquid Cash

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I really enjoy these videos. Very good job guys Smile

Posted about 1 year ago

Liquid Cash

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Time Link to 00:19:28

When you say that his 3-bet range is really polarized now. Isn't it assumed too much to think he will always do the same thing with that hand? I.E. he will always be flatting KQ, instead of 3-betting, looking to c/raise good TP's instead of 3-betting it?

Wont a good player do different things with the same hand or do you think it's more that people decide they are going to do this with x range and they do the same thing always with that range?

Posted about 1 year ago

Liquid Cash

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Time Link to 00:20:35

IF hero would adjust to these check raises by checking back more IP wont that give villain the green light to bet turn bet river thinking that hero is checking back because his hand can't stand a check raise so he has a weaker range?

Posted about 1 year ago

Liquid Cash

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Time Link to 00:00:00

I have a question that's about an adjustment I made and I want to know if you think it's good. I play low stakes HUNL and I find many of my opponents to be very lose / calling stations with very low fold to c-bets. I adjust to this by folding more buttons and opening stronger hands in general because I don't feel comfortable having a weak range and just bet bet shoving or bet bet betting against calling stations. Do you think this is a good adjustment?

Posted about 1 year ago

Liquid Cash

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Time Link to 00:40:45

I think 3-betting AJ here against this guy is a mistake because he is folding so much that when you get called, the board comes Ah and you get a lot of money in I think there is a good chance you are behind vs his range. What do you guys think?

Posted about 1 year ago

WiltOnTilt

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When you say that his 3-bet range is really polarized now. Isn't it assumed too much to think he will always do the same thing with that hand? I.E. he will always be flatting KQ, instead of 3-betting, looking to c/raise good TP's instead of 3-betting it?

Wont a good player do different things with the same hand or do you think it's more that people decide they are going to do this with x range and they do the same thing always with that range?



sure but you have to take the info they give you and when you see that you can now start discounting those hands in 3b pots, even if they are flatting 50% and 3betting 50%. perhaps it was an overstatement to say "really polarized" and instead I should have said "more polarized" but the point is that we need to recognize what this showdown means for his other ranges.

Posted about 1 year ago




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