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CZECHDONKY

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Hey guys.I have one question.How do you do hand reading and in HU .I think most important is a history with opponent,but by statistics HEM,PT ?In HU ?And how do you do ? Do you say,for example : I have AA on flop K Q 2 rainbow.Im worse only with KK,QQ,22,K2,Q2 BUT i think before flop he didnt re-raise me,i think he cant have KK,QQ and K2 and Q2 are so bad cards he folded and im worse only by 22 and KQ.And i think he can have 22-99,56-KQ etc ? OR how do you do this ? I start with this and i dont know so much ,thanks a lot for answers THANKS

Posted over 1 year ago

marco

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i'm guessing you haven't seen Krantz's last video.

Basically, start like you said

no raise pf = generic flatting range - use poker stove or equillab to look at ranges.

Then narrow it down as you go through the action. Leave flop and turn ranges a little wider than you might expect.

For instance, if he just c/c's, don't exclude sets from his range just yet. They are more unlikely, but you can't say "no sets".

So use poker stove or equilab and go through your database ( filter for hands at showdown), and go through every street, narrowing ranges as you go. See if the villain's hand is in the final range you have. Repeat 1000 times.

Posted over 1 year ago

CZECHDONKY

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yes i havent seen it,i havent got a upgrade account for watching premium videos.Thanks

Posted over 1 year ago

CZECHDONKY

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ok guys and i have a big problem in preflop hand reading.Say i have AA on SB raise 3bb and villain call.His range is very very very wide.And how should i hand reading here ?Or i need bet c-bet and after narrow his range.I never catch his range preflop when hes calling my bet? What do you recommend ? Thanks guys

Posted over 1 year ago

Tackleberry

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You can slightly narrow his calling-range preflop, in the sense that he probably neither has hands like QQ+, AK, maybe AQ nor hands like 32o, 84o in his range. Go from there ... anything above is a matter of experience / watching this player. Continue narrowing his range by his postflop actions.

Posted over 1 year ago

PanicIwould

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Okay, so I think you are getting ahead of yourself. You need to take hand reading street by street. So you have AA and villian calls your raise preflop. He has a wide calling range preflop. So you have to start with his calling range. Since his calling range is wide ( say 50-60% preflop) we can put him on any two combinations of Jx, Qx, Kx and Ax, 22+, and broadways (QT, QJ, KQ, KJ ect) + suited connectors. Okay now onto the next street.

Flop: K62r.

Can you bet for value vs villians range? Answer is yes. Any Kx hand is going call. So you bet he calls.
Now you can start to narrow villians range to Kx hands. He can also still have strong hands here like sets (66,22) or two pair hands like K2 or K6.

Turn: K62Jtt board now

Now you tell me, Should you bet? Check? If we are betting is it for value? how has the board hit his range? What are we doing if we bet and get raised?

Posted over 1 year ago

marco

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the way that i started to progress, was when i defined what my ranges should be in spots and why. What should you float with, call, raise, etc. Once you start to know what YOU should be doing, you can assume other people have the same ranges to start.

Once you see a showdown, then you might be able to gather a read. But you have to start with finding out hte right play.

So, what range should YOU be flatting 3bets with? what %, what specific combos? What hands do you float with, why?

I could never move forward until I started to figure these things out for myself ( a few months back). You have to build and memorize a frame work for what SHOULD be done in common spots.

I have a default 3bet calling range memorized, its kinda tight. It's what i assume everyone has until i see a showdown that shows a hand outside that range. Or if i get a 150 hands on someone and their calling % is way out of wack with my range, i can adjust my range.

IMO, it all starts with defaults. default ranges, default plays. play a default game ( theoretically balanced enough for your limit) then adjust as you get evidence.

The place to start all this is, vs 3bets, what ranges should you fold, call, and raise, why? vs a 10% 3b, 20% 3bet, 30% 3bet. what is the math for everything? how often can you bluff 4bet? you need to figure it all out for yourself.

Posted over 1 year ago

CZECHDONKY

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Hi guys.PANIC : I think in this board i can again bet for value.I shouldnt check i think,because i think i am ahead.I think 22,66,K2,K6,KJ and Kx call me.TQ can call me on draw BUT he hasnt TQ in his range now because he folded it on flop.I think this is his calling range 22,66,K2,K6,KJ and Kx.

MARCO : My default 3bet calling range is 66+,KJ+,AT+,JQ, .I dont 4bet bluff much.
My strategies arent so good,i start with HU recently.Thanks for your tips guys,i hope you

Posted over 1 year ago

CZECHDONKY

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I flat with 22-88(22-55 3bet bluff),A9-A6(A2-A5 i 3bett light),45s+,67o+,broadways (AT+,KJ+ i 3bet value) because 66-88 i think its a standart flat with A9-A6 i think thats not so good cards fo 3bet value and so good cards for bluff.45s+ i think very good chance to hit draw or 2 pairs.... and broadways i think I have very good chance versus his range....

Posted over 1 year ago

Foukus

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I made small example how I view hand reading. Hope it helps. I think this is mostly learned by doing it so you just need to think in every spot about his possible hand ranges and so on. You'll get grasp of it when you have been doing it long enough.

Example

Posted over 1 year ago

PanicIwould

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Hi guys.PANIC : I think in this board i can again bet for value.I shouldnt check i think,because i think i am ahead.I think 22,66,K2,K6,KJ and Kx call me.TQ can call me on draw BUT he hasnt TQ in his range now because he folded it on flop.I think this is his calling range 22,66,K2,K6,KJ and Kx.

MARCO : My default 3bet calling range is 66+,KJ+,AT+,JQ, .I dont 4bet bluff much.
My strategies arent so good,i start with HU recently.Thanks for your tips guys,i hope you



Good, now what are we doing when villians raises turn? How does a raise affect his range? What are we doing if villian calls turn and leads out on the river? All these situations will happen, and they all impact how we assign a villian a range. Note taking and picking up tells on how they played hands will make you better as you progress. Practice hand reading post session using HEM or PT3. See how close you are to getting it correct. Also, practice with people via skype. Preferably someone playing a level or two above where you are.

Posted over 1 year ago

CZECHDONKY

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Ok thanks for councils and i still ask you ,do you suppose in opponents range some % bluffs ? I read something from Harrington and he says : always 10% from his range is bluff. What do you think ? Is it good thinking ? Thanks guys Smile

Posted over 1 year ago

Foukus

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Ok thanks for councils and i still ask you ,do you suppose in opponents range some % bluffs ? I read something from Harrington and he says : always 10% from his range is bluff. What do you think ? Is it good thinking ? Thanks guys Smile



Usually there are some % of bluffs, but against some (mostly fishy) villains I can definitely say there are spots where their bluff range is essentially 0%. So I wouldn't use that line of thinking always.

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