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Duel: 2fouroffsuit (#3) - Heads Upside Down Part 3

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Duel: 2fouroffsuit (#3) - Heads Upside Down Part 3 by 2fouroffsuit

2fouroffsuit is doing another session review with a focus on adjustments he finds that the hero should've adapted to.

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CAMEL247

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Joined 11/2011

26:50 we get min check raised on ASpadeAHeartJHeart 9Spade

I used to snap call any time this happened but I think it's really close on paired boards to the point where folding to a min-raise can be good to at worst, okay. (of coarse depending on stacks, but this applies to 3B pots mostly).

Here have 8Heart6Heart. pot is $20 we have $42 behind. Vs a range of Axo and sets which are more in his range given how passive he is we have ~10%, and 15% in the case he won't have JJ, 99 (and a this point in the match vs this guy they are somewhat possible)... To make a profitable call then we need roughly 6x to 9x his bet.
In the best case given 15% equity we need to win another $34 (9*6 -20.15) to make this neutral EV. We only have another 42 behind, so we call to win a potential 16bb... in the worst case with some of the weaker Axo discounted we are actually not getting odds to call here.

Just something to think about especially as stacks get shallow in big pots when fishy type players make this move.

Posted over 1 year ago

2fouroffsuit

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Joined 01/2008

38:55 villain min 3B and we 4B AJo. pot is $14.5... we have $43.4 behind.

flop is like Txx two suits

I normally just try to check this down because AJo has SDV. why are we trying to setup stacks for a turn shove? because your look to double barrel all in on 2,3 high card K? I don't even think he folds Tx here to turn shove.



I talk about setting up stacks on this turn, not because we necessarily need to jam the turn but we want to threaten his entire stack with our flop bet since it sets us up for a turn jam.
I don't expect a guy to call a 4bet oop with Tx, flop top pair and then fold at almost any point in the hand. This is to get him to fold hands weaker than Tx like 77 or 5x, and we collect the dead money that's already out there (29bb) and we aren't just bloating a pot to give up on it or play a lot of guessing games on turns where we don't improve.

Posted over 1 year ago

2fouroffsuit

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26:50 we get min check raised on ASpadeAHeartJHeart 9Spade

I used to snap call any time this happened but I think it's really close on paired boards to the point where folding to a min-raise can be good to at worst, okay. (of coarse depending on stacks, but this applies to 3B pots mostly).

Here have 8Heart6Heart. pot is $20 we have $42 behind. Vs a range of Axo and sets which are more in his range given how passive he is we have ~10%, and 15% in the case he won't have JJ, 99 (and a this point in the match vs this guy they are somewhat possible)... To make a profitable call then we need roughly 6x to 9x his bet.
In the best case given 15% equity we need to win another $34 (9*6 -20.15) to make this neutral EV. We only have another 42 behind, so we call to win a potential 16bb... in the worst case with some of the weaker Axo discounted we are actually not getting odds to call here.

Just something to think about especially as stacks get shallow in big pots when fishy type players make this move.



I'm a little unclear on some of your math. We only have to call $4.50 and are getting 4.5:1 immediate odds and what will be $37.50 (75bb) behind.

I think it's reasonable to assume that he has all Ax except AK and AQ in his range and probably doesn't have all AJ, JJ, or 99. So we're looking at somewhere between 12-15% equity. So we need to make a total of $30-$36 (6x-8x) (this includes the money that's already in the pot) on the call when we hit. I don't think that it is too optimistic to think that we can get at least another $10-$16 out of him on when we make our flush (pot going into the river will be $25).

Let me know if this doesn't make sense or if I messed up in my math. Smile

Posted over 1 year ago

CAMEL247

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38:55 villain min 3B and we 4B AJo. pot is $14.5... we have $43.4 behind.


I talk about setting up stacks on this turn, not because we necessarily need to jam the turn but we want to threaten his entire stack with our flop bet since it sets us up for a turn jam.
I don't expect a guy to call a 4bet oop with Tx, flop top pair and then fold at almost any point in the hand. This is to get him to fold hands weaker than Tx like 77 or 5x, and we collect the dead money that's already out there (29bb) and we aren't just bloating a pot to give up on it or play a lot of guessing games on turns where we don't improve.


I was thinking about this more and I like it. I'm thinking that he often will do something weird like donk/call Tx, or just check/shove because he doesn't want to play it. This weakens his ch/call get to turn range alot. So when he calls we still have 25% equity from flop + about 17 potential turns we can ship on and expect small pps to fold often. Sometimes we might also get value from turned Axo.

Do you think this is a much better line to take vs most opponents or just this guy?

What about in 6-max like BTNvCO in a 3B pot where ranges might also be somewhat wide. I have always checked back here and turned my Axo face up. Is this a spot you also bet all your good Ax on a dry flop like Txx?


Yeah I realized I screwed up the maths because I ignored our bet and assumed we needed x times his bet and not x times his raise over our bet...

Posted over 1 year ago




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