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in the TT hand - what are we representing with a river shove other than JT of diamonds?
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Time Link to 00:18:55
in the TT hand - what are we representing with a river shove other than JT of diamonds?
in the TT hand - what are we representing with a river shove other than JT of diamonds?
backdoor flushies as well
Time Link to 00:41:44
A9 hand at about 41:44:
Are there any opponents you would try to make fold everything but the nuts by shoving the river? We obviously don't rep much except for like KThh or possibly K7hh and Villain gets good odds, but on the other hand it's such an insane spot to try a bluff that it might get a lot of credit.
Time Link to 00:59:18
The 3 of hearts would a bad turn card. The bluff part of villain's perceived X/R range contains a lot of X
Y
, X
Y
=> any river with a
or a
are going to put Hero in a really nasty spot. At lower stakes don't ever fold on those rivers until they have shown you that they have a wide value range to compensate for all the bluffs - especially on rivered 
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Time Link to 00:37:54
For the KQ hand vs the river overbet shove - Aaron said we could probably reason out a fold with our entire range. What about if we had J6, JJ, or TT? don't know if we'd get to the river this way with JJ/TT as we may raise earlier in the hand, but J6 seems like a hand with which we could get to the river like this.
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Time Link to 00:47:07
for the A9 hand - What does our turn check back range look like to him? If it's only hands like J9s, QTs, then he probably can't expect us to bet the river much like Aaron said. But are we betting T9s, 76s, T7s, 97s on the turn? If not, are we value betting the river with those hands? If we are, then between those hands and our Aces up hands, then don't we actually have a decent river betting frequency?
If we had like KT with the K of hearts and were bluffing the river to make him fold JJ-KK, are we shoving over his c/r since we have the nut blocker (assuming we think he's a pretty decent thinker and not the type to just make "oh f' it im committed calls")?
A9 hand at about 41:44:
Are there any opponents you would try to make fold everything but the nuts by shoving the river? We obviously don't rep much except for like KThh or possibly K7hh and Villain gets good odds, but on the other hand it's such an insane spot to try a bluff that it might get a lot of credit.
yea perhaps someone i thought was nitty/scared money or just not that capable of putting a lot of $ in with a weak hand. When he checks the river it looks like he has some weak showdown value...we polarize ourselves by shipping it in. it's hard to get a read on what exactly they fold since we don't see their cards, but i could get behind it vs some players that were maybe on the end of their site bankroll and we had reason to believe they were looking for spots that are a lock before putting their $ in.
The 3 of hearts would a bad turn card. The bluff part of villain's perceived X/R range contains a lot of XY
, X
Y
=> any river with a
or a
are going to put Hero in a really nasty spot. At lower stakes don't ever fold on those rivers until they have shown you that they have a wide value range to compensate for all the bluffs - especially on rivered
good point
For the KQ hand vs the river overbet shove - Aaron said we could probably reason out a fold with our entire range. What about if we had J6, JJ, or TT? don't know if we'd get to the river this way with JJ/TT as we may raise earlier in the hand, but J6 seems like a hand with which we could get to the river like this.
i probably don't fold a boat, especially J6 since he can't have quads now and it's one of the main value hands he's repping...so maybe he has a straight he's going for a hero play or T6
for the A9 hand - What does our turn check back range look like to him? If it's only hands like J9s, QTs, then he probably can't expect us to bet the river much like Aaron said. But are we betting T9s, 76s, T7s, 97s on the turn? If not, are we value betting the river with those hands? If we are, then between those hands and our Aces up hands, then don't we actually have a decent river betting frequency?
If we had like KT with the K of hearts and were bluffing the river to make him fold JJ-KK, are we shoving over his c/r since we have the nut blocker (assuming we think he's a pretty decent thinker and not the type to just make "oh f' it im committed calls")?
i woudlnt bet all those hands all the time on the turn, but i'd certainly be starting a bluff with a good number of hands here. Whether you start the bluff with Tx or A9 doesn't really make a ton of diff except occasionally more showdown value with Tx
and yea, considering a rebluff with hands < Ax here, having Kh would be nice for sure
it's just such a tough spot because it's one of those spots that really depends on how good at poker your opponent is and you can easily own yourself as he wins the pot with some flush and you say to yourself "god he plays so bad" (or, he just gives you more credit than you realize for your ability to thin value bet here or he doesn't realize you'd turn a lot of low/non-showdown value hands into bluff on the turn)
i woudlnt bet all those hands all the time on the turn, but i'd certainly be starting a bluff with a good number of hands here.
so you would turn 2pair hands like T9s/76s/T7s/97s into bluffs on the turn some % of the time?
so you would turn 2pair hands like T9s/76s/T7s/97s into bluffs on the turn some % of the time?
Would be more of a value/protection bet
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