KRANTZ
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If his flop calling range is mostly made up of decent equity floats that he didn't want to waste with a flop raise, then can't we be taking the stack a donk line as a bluff as well (obv more expensive than barreling, but we also win more).
With regard to being confident that he will bet the turn for us allowing us to check the turn going for a c/r - doesn't his flop calling range also consist of a lot of marginal made hands like weak pairs in addition to floats? If so, then won't he actually be checking the turn back with a lot of his flop calling range, unless he just bets the turn for protection a lot? If he's betting his floats on the turn but checking back with his marginal showdown value hands, does that change the strategy we'll want to employ when we have a hand with an equity lock (i.e. should that make us want to take a stack a donk line less often?)?
yes and yes. board texture is a major factor you need to consider in these spots, as well as what you've been showing them. when you check the turn, do they expect you to nearly always check/fold or check/call? if so, they'll be betting more hands (floats, thin value, protection) more often.
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Ass Get to Jigglin
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Can't we be leading turn with all most all bluffs and checking going for c/r's with almost our value hands until a couple hands get to showdown and we think he's likely to catch on and adjust? In other words, why do we have to be somewhat balanced with our turn leading range if his turn range after checking back the flop is unbalanced and weak? Shouldn't we be aiming to play exploitatively so that we can maximally exploit his unbalanced and weak range and then adjust once we recognize indications that he may be adjusting?
Also, does this change when you are playing 2 tables compared to when your are playing 4+tables? Like, with 2 tables it seems like it's a lot easier to keep track of hands that went to showdown and adjust/maximally exploit accordingly. With 4 tables, however, it seems like it might make more sense to aim to just play a more balanced game (still making the big adjustments, but just not as many detailed adjustments as with 2 tables) than you would with 2 tables because you don't have time to really think about how every showdown might change the dynamic of the match in full detail and then drastically shift your ranges in a lot of different spots - so playing more balanced can sort of make up for not having the time to always be looking over your shoulder and make sure your adjusting properly?
I think dog is head talked about this in one of his videos (not sure if it was a DC vid or not), so I'm curious about your guys' opinions on it.
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KRANTZ
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Can't we be leading turn with all most all bluffs and checking going for c/r's with almost our value hands until a couple hands get to showdown and we think he's likely to catch on and adjust? In other words, why do we have to be somewhat balanced with our turn leading range if his turn range after checking back the flop is unbalanced and weak? Shouldn't we be aiming to play exploitatively so that we can maximally exploit his unbalanced and weak range and then adjust once we recognize indications that he may be adjusting?
IMO this particular opponent would catch on to that right away. other opponents, prob not. basically, the weaker and dumber and less attentive your opponent is, the more you can take extremely transparent lines in every situation. you just always need to be conscious that you are likely contributing to the building of frustration and inducing an adjustment (more on this next episode)
Also, does this change when you are playing 2 tables compared to when your are playing 4+tables? Like, with 2 tables it seems like it's a lot easier to keep track of hands that went to showdown and adjust/maximally exploit accordingly. With 4 tables, however, it seems like it might make more sense to aim to just play a more balanced game (still making the big adjustments, but just not as many detailed adjustments as with 2 tables) than you would with 2 tables because you don't have time to really think about how every showdown might change the dynamic of the match in full detail and then drastically shift your ranges in a lot of different spots - so playing more balanced can sort of make up for not having the time to always be looking over your shoulder and make sure your adjusting properly?
I think dog is head talked about this in one of his videos (not sure if it was a DC vid or not), so I'm curious about your guys' opinions on it.
in this case i just wouldn't play 4 tables against someone until i could keep track of everything. i guess i would agree with this if you're doing it as an exercise to get better at 4-tabling.
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Dzikijohnny
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How much of the time when you want to play are you actually playing. How much of is it spent sitting out waiting for someone to sit or looking up someone who is sitting to see if you want to play them? I am assuming the % time is higher at 50NL and decreases as you move up.
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WiltOnTilt
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How much of the time when you want to play are you actually playing. How much of is it spent sitting out waiting for someone to sit or looking up someone who is sitting to see if you want to play them? I am assuming the % time is higher at 50NL and decreases as you move up.
i have to wait hours for heads up action sometimes...which is why I also play some short handed games, try to start 6h tables, etc. Also, as you move up, you want to start sitting at a range of stakes...like at least 3-4 different stake levels to increase the likelihood of getting action.
Usually I don't bother looking ppl up on ptr when I get action because I'm happy to get action, but I will use it on occasion.
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Dzikijohnny
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I just played my first HU cash and got slaughtered....what a fun game...lots of bad luck and bad play on my part...like normal...blew through my stop loss without even noticing...lots to learn...that's why I am here....at least I dropped my big pots with big hands....Any chance these videos can come out twice a week?????
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KOSlamArtist
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I just played my first HU cash and got slaughtered....what a fun game...lots of bad luck and bad play on my part...like normal...blew through my stop loss without even noticing...lots to learn...that's why I am here....at least I dropped my big pots with big hands....Any chance these videos can come out twice a week?????
Theres a ton you can watch while waiting, ive been rewatching them myself:
Pr1nnyraiding 1-2, Dogisheadsup, Pokersense is also very good too for general thinking.
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danndann1
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thx for the read
cant say if u muck me, hope u dont cause i have great respect for u and wilt and i hope the next videos will just be strat and not random/useless rambling about stuff like ptr etc etc. tx
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KRANTZ
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cant say if u muck me, hope u dont cause i have great respect for u and wilt and i hope the next videos will just be strat and not random/useless rambling about stuff like ptr etc etc. tx
if you have great respect for someone you don't tell them that their work will suck and that it's a waste of time. constructive comments are appreciated, your post is not.
as far the content, it's not useless at all to many people, and it's a necessary step in building to where we want to go in this series.
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danndann1
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if you have great respect for someone you don't tell them that their work will suck and that it's a waste of time. constructive comments are appreciated, your post is not..
why cant i criticize ur work? im paying for it (30 bucks lol) and have some degree of expectation (lol) but the first 2 videos seemed to me like a never ever ending intro... and u know that! unless u plan to do like 40 episodes this is not ok!
so please get into hu strat already wich i suppose this series is all about.
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WiltOnTilt
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so please get into hu strat already wich i suppose this series is all about.
Did you watch the video? I'm curious what words you'd use to describe the hand history/hand range/stat interaction/HEM player breakdown analysis other than "hu strat" ?
Thanks
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