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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by jk3a (Mid Stakes)

Don't mean to continue this point and it was another wise good video, but I definitely would not have liked it any more if he folded because I think it's a pretty awful 3bet to begin with. Good vid overall, and way to not tilt after the rough bumps early on

thx, glad you liked it

"pretty awful" is very anti learning. Those words imply that the 3bet was significantly -ev which is simply not true. I could be convinced with a bunch of ev calcs and a lot of sound arguments that 3betting 83s or 35s is slightly -ev, but I doubt that's the case either.

why do you think that might be?

well, if his cbet is low that probably means that his cbet range is TP ,over pairs , strong draws
but that does not really mean that he folds his medium or low pair , or his 2 overs with a gutshot
when we only donk once .

although he does fold to a dbet when he completely misses . and he should cbet dry boards when he misses.

but again we just make him fold the bottom of his range . that part of his range does not cbet in the first place.

and when the flop goes x/x we can fire turn and be certain that he does not have strong holdings.

but again we just make him fold the bottom of his range . that part of his range does not cbet in the first place.

hugely dependent on board texture but most people that cbet 55 or lower are polarized cbettors. leading a balanced range is mainly good to take advantage of the times he has the middle part of his range

for those of you who "don't like" my 5bet bluffs, please watch my short where i detail some of the math. I bet you guys would have liked them alot more if he folded.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 28.632% 28.35% 00.28% 143691512 1426164.00 { 53s }
Hand 1: 71.368% 71.09% 00.28% 360298144 1426164.00 { 88+, AQs+, AQo+ }


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1,294,501,824 games 0.884 secs 1,464,368,579 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.749% 25.54% 01.21% 330620268 15646692.00 { A2o }
Hand 1: 73.251% 72.04% 01.21% 932588172 15646692.00 { 88+, AQs+, AQo+ }


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486,294,336 games 0.443 secs 1,097,729,878 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.886% 24.57% 00.31% 119492260 1529292.00 { 83s }
Hand 1: 75.114% 74.80% 00.31% 363743492 1529292.00 { 88+, AQs+, AQo+ }

jk3a- the reason 53s does better against that range is because of all the combos of AQ and AK. but a lot of players flat AQ/AK in position. especially in 6max, flatting AQ in position is standard and AK is usually a flat as well.

how much will it cost to teach me how to run like dotcart..??

jk3a- the reason 53s does better against that range is because of all the combos of AQ and AK. but a lot of players flat AQ/AK in position. especially in 6max, flatting AQ in position is standard and AK is usually a flat as well.

very very std for most regs to 4bet/felt AQ/AK in a hu game, also very std with most of the 6max regs at 2/4 in steal situations

very very std for most regs to 4bet/felt AQ/AK in a hu game, also very std with most of the 6max regs at 2/4 in steal situations

yeah i understand 4bet/calling those hands in HU, but do you think that 4bet/calling AQ/AK on the button in a 6max game is good to have as a standard?

yeah i understand 4bet/calling those hands in HU, but do you think that 4bet/calling AQ/AK on the button in a 6max game is good to have as a standard?

@ 2/4 6m AK is usually the nuts in tons of cases, and it would become the super nuts from steal positions

AQ with history/dynamic can be viewed/played the same way, but likely not a default play vs unknowns, and would require a bit more history/dynamic.

@ 2/4 6m AK is usually the nuts in tons of cases, and it would become the super nuts from steal positions

AQ with history/dynamic can be viewed/played the same way, but likely not a default play vs unknowns, and would require a bit more history/dynamic.

in position in 6max it just seems much better to be flatting AK/AQ without some sort of history where you think the villain will be 5bet bluff jamming A rag hands a lot. Whether hes using small pairs or unpaired little cards like 53s as his 5bet bluffs, both of those hands do well against AK/AQ all in pre-flop, but play really bad oop post flop on tons of boards. Plus by 4betting you let him off the hook a lot by letting him fold depolarized stuff like KJ which you have dominated.

Just seems like 4betting lets him play more perfectly then flatting in position, whether hes polarized or depolarized.

yeah i understand 4bet/calling those hands in HU, but do you think that 4bet/calling AQ/AK on the button in a 6max game is good to have as a standard?

yes

yes

why

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yup

excellent point. people try to reduce it to this 'i look weak' without considering the number of combos someone can valuebet. sometimes you look weak because you ARE weak because he has 100000 better easily valuebet combos.

in position in 6max it just seems much better to be flatting AK/AQ without some sort of history where you think the villain will be 5bet bluff jamming A rag hands a lot. Whether hes using small pairs or unpaired little cards like 53s as his 5bet bluffs, both of those hands do well against AK/AQ all in pre-flop, but play really bad oop post flop on tons of boards. Plus by 4betting you let him off the hook a lot by letting him fold depolarized stuff like KJ which you have dominated.

Just seems like 4betting lets him play more perfectly then flatting in position, whether hes polarized or depolarized.

It is still going to be difficult to play hands like AQ/AK IP on boards u miss vs unknowns when u have no idea of their tendencies/frequencies postflop. Do u float.. raise?.. or just play the absolute strength of ur hand?. Also when u do showdown these spots where u have flatted AK preflop and its happening with any degree of regularity it will make ur 4b range extremely polarized. I am all for flatting IP some of the time with these hands, but id say as a default 4betting is gonna be better.

It is still going to be difficult to play hands like AQ/AK IP on boards u miss vs unknowns when u have no idea of their tendencies/frequencies postflop. Do u float.. raise?.. or just play the absolute strength of ur hand?.

Well if he's unknown, you wont have any idea of their tendencies pre flop either. And if he's unknown, you wont have the sort of history/dynamic where he is going to be 5bet jam bluffing A-rag type hands either. So he will usually fold his 3bet bluffs or worse 3bet value hands like KQ/KJ, or you will be flipping or crushed when you get it in, meaning he plays pretty perfectly.

Also when u do showdown these spots where u have flatted AK preflop and its happening with any degree of regularity it will make ur 4b range extremely polarized. I am all for flatting IP some of the time with these hands, but id say as a default 4betting is gonna be better.

If he starts to think our 4bet range is extremely polarized and is likely to 5bet bluff, then why can't we depolarize it and start 4betting thinner for value?

thx, glad you liked it

"pretty awful" is very anti learning. Those words imply that the 3bet was significantly -ev which is simply not true. I could be convinced with a bunch of ev calcs and a lot of sound arguments that 3betting 83s or 35s is slightly -ev, but I doubt that's the case either.

this

jk3a puts this very diplomatically. i cringe in the same way when people say something is 'not necessary' at whatever stakes or something. folks, the threshold is 0ev and we want to see our actions fall on the high side of that line. things like 'pretty awful' or 'unnecessary' are, well, unnecessary unless they are shorthand for -ev. challenge yourselves to think in terms of expectation and ranges.