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Boosdoener: Episode Seven

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Boosdoener: Episode Seven by FoxwoodsFiend, Hielko

Hielko is playing two tables of $1/2 Heads Up NLHE while FoxwoodsFiend picks his brain and critiques his various betting line strategies.

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FoxwoodFiend takes Hielko under his wing as they explore what it takes to crush souls at 400NL and 600NL and make the move to 1000NL.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Mid Stakes
  • 62 minutes long
  • Posted over 2 years ago

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Saydon

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Hielko

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if i look at this http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/9cholas i feel something doesnt add up here


Villain normally plays at a different site

Posted over 2 years ago

Ncoa

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Hey guys. I'm villain. I play at the European ongame network at nl200 - nl600, HU as my main game. I'm only using pokerstars for MTT's and playing random with friends. I havn't had a chance to look at the video (on iPhone now) but looking very much forward to it!!!

Posted over 2 years ago

Thorrrr

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Yesss! Please more HU content by FwF Smile

Posted over 2 years ago

kamillion324

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Great vid guys, quick question at around the 9:00 mark. Left table we have K J in a 3bet pot. How come you guys decide to raise the J 5 J flop? Seems like a pretty easy flat to his cbet. We are floating there a ton with A high and he rarely has anything. Just doesnt seem like a great spot to raise. Thanks guys

Posted over 2 years ago

thghupros

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Jow fox i have a question for you.

You and with you a lot of other instructors claim you have to start calling with very marginal hands (like 67o and Q7o)oop as soon as your opponent is minraising 100% of his buttons.

I off course do understand the underlying logic behind it but have you ever thought about the time you're wasting playing this hands (oop being marginally profitable at best vs capable opponents), while you can play the next hand highly profitable on the button.

I believe that folding the same range as you would vs a 3x openraise doesn't hurt you at all, while playing less buttons per hour of playtime off course really does.

Any thoughts ?

Posted over 2 years ago

Rhincodon

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Question about the AJo hand 11.30 in where you raise and get it in against 88.

What kind of hands do you prefer to have in your bluff-raising-range in that spot?

Posted over 2 years ago

Rhincodon

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@Fox
25 min in with the 65 on 668

Can you please give your opinion of villains play with A8o? Do you think he played it fine given the dynamic at that point in the match?

Posted over 2 years ago

Ncoa

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Hey again guys.

I just looked through the vid.

First I have some comments for my generel preflop strategy:

To begin with, I had seen some of FWF's HU vids in the past and I knew that he loved to 3bet/5bet marginal hands, so I figured I would be minraising and calling more than 4bet bluffing.
At some point i switch to 3x, why is that?
Well, hielko had some pretty floaty/aggro stats to begin with. over the first like 70-90 hands his stats was like: f to 3bet 35%, f to cbet 25%, f to steal 45-50% and 3bet 30%. So i figured, that he is playing pretty perfect against my 100% open minraising. I then decided to cut down my open to like 75% and 3x, hoping that they wouldn't adjust as good. I'm not sure Hielko and FWF noticed that I actually started folding buttons...

Calling Hielkos steal with K5s:

Hielko's fold to 3bet was pretty low, so i decided it would be better to call hands like K5s instead of 3betting them. I fell like I can definetly play K5s oop profitable with a call against an almost 100% opening range.
My 3betting range was about top 15% of hands. But after having seen the vid, I noticed that hielko just had playable hands most of the time I 3bet him Poke Tongue (at least in the beginning)...so my read on his call 3bet was pretty off.

Calling 3bet with K9o:

I think that it is more +ev to call K9o than 4betting K9o against Hielkos 3betting range. He was 3betting around 30%, so I do believe that I'm overall dominating more of his range, than he is mine...and I have position and so on. I think Hielko should be 4betting hands like KTo-K8o or folding them against my range, but I should be calling those hands against Hielkos range.

@25min 65 vs A8 on 668

I like my reraise here instead of calling...I think my portion of air is much bigger when I reraise this paired/dry board instead of calling. I was a bit concerned when Hielko minreraised me Poke Tongue...I think it excluded his 79, T9, 64 and T7 type hands...so he pretty much has some frisky complet air hand, 6x and some 8x hands. I think, given that I reraised to induce and the pot odds, I have to get it in...and reclicking him probably increase his air get it in range...at least marginally instead of shoving...and he still get it in with the 8x hands.

The overbet on AJ2 2 X:

I did fold A8o Poke Tongue...so wp Hielko. I still belive that my fold is very good...I considered my image so be somewhat callish/"wants to make the hero play" (after the Q8 call down and the A8 vs 56 og 668)...so I figured that they would never try to bluf me in this spot.

I hope some of you guys can use this Smile

I think I learned that you shouldn't adjust as fast....and that first impressions last a long time Poke Tongue
Hielko and FWF seemed to think the entire match that i was pretty stationy...pretty much only based on the Q8 call down on Q52 A K, when they have T5. (btw, I think this call down is pretty std vs any kind of aggro reg).

Sry for not having time marks on and typos...I'm out of time right now Poke Tongue

-Ncoa

Posted over 2 years ago

FoxwoodsFiend

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Great vid guys, quick question at around the 9:00 mark. Left table we have K J in a 3bet pot. How come you guys decide to raise the J 5 J flop? Seems like a pretty easy flat to his cbet. We are floating there a ton with A high and he rarely has anything. Just doesnt seem like a great spot to raise. Thanks guys



it's a leveling spot. a lot of times people don't bluff-raise here because they know it's hard to rep much. and against a tightish 3betting range, that's fair (against a very loose range you want to start bluffing more and hence value raising more). i just figured we raised his last c-bet, this is a very hard board for him to believe us on if he thinks we just like to raise 3bet cbets, and we could have a lot of flush draws and he could have a lot of pairs and ace-highs that at least peel once

Posted over 2 years ago

FoxwoodsFiend

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Jow fox i have a question for you.

You and with you a lot of other instructors claim you have to start calling with very marginal hands (like 67o and Q7o)oop as soon as your opponent is minraising 100% of his buttons.

I off course do understand the underlying logic behind it but have you ever thought about the time you're wasting playing this hands (oop being marginally profitable at best vs capable opponents), while you can play the next hand highly profitable on the button.

I believe that folding the same range as you would vs a 3x openraise doesn't hurt you at all, while playing less buttons per hour of playtime off course really does.

Any thoughts ?



Jow Fox? Is that supposed to be Jew Fox? Or No Fox? I'm so confused!

As for the opportunity cost of seeing a flop, look: you're posting blinds at a rapid rate. If you let a guy risk 1.5 to win 1.5 and only defend 30% or whatever you defend against 3x range, you're going to hemorrhage EV from the BB. So by "waiting to see your button" you're also speeding up the rate at which you post a BB and get brutally exploited OOP

Posted over 2 years ago

FoxwoodsFiend

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Question about the AJo hand 11.30 in where you raise and get it in against 88.

What kind of hands do you prefer to have in your bluff-raising-range in that spot?



What was the board? If it was J8x then QT/Q9 which do well against his suspicious peeling range and 79 because it's not good enough to call but can be used as a semi-bluff

Posted over 2 years ago

FoxwoodsFiend

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Hey again guys.

I just looked through the vid.

First I have some comments for my generel preflop strategy:

To begin with, I had seen some of FWF's HU vids in the past and I knew that he loved to 3bet/5bet marginal hands, so I figured I would be minraising and calling more than 4bet bluffing.
At some point i switch to 3x, why is that?
Well, hielko had some pretty floaty/aggro stats to begin with. over the first like 70-90 hands his stats was like: f to 3bet 35%, f to cbet 25%, f to steal 45-50% and 3bet 30%. So i figured, that he is playing pretty perfect against my 100% open minraising. I then decided to cut down my open to like 75% and 3x, hoping that they wouldn't adjust as good. I'm not sure Hielko and FWF noticed that I actually started folding buttons...



Yeah, really wish we had a HUD at this point and flying blind we missed a lot. Oh well


Calling Hielkos steal with K5s:

Hielko's fold to 3bet was pretty low, so i decided it would be better to call hands like K5s instead of 3betting them. I fell like I can definetly play K5s oop profitable with a call against an almost 100% opening range.
My 3betting range was about top 15% of hands. But after having seen the vid, I noticed that hielko just had playable hands most of the time I 3bet him Poke Tongue (at least in the beginning)...so my read on his call 3bet was pretty off.



Yeah I would still 3bet K5s and we were running pretty hot with preflop hands vs your 3bets


Calling 3bet with K9o:

I think that it is more +ev to call K9o than 4betting K9o against Hielkos 3betting range. He was 3betting around 30%, so I do believe that I'm overall dominating more of his range, than he is mine...and I have position and so on. I think Hielko should be 4betting hands like KTo-K8o or folding them against my range, but I should be calling those hands against Hielkos range.



Didn't realize we were at 30%, defending K9o is super standard


@25min 65 vs A8 on 668

I like my reraise here instead of calling...I think my portion of air is much bigger when I reraise this paired/dry board instead of calling. I was a bit concerned when Hielko minreraised me Poke Tongue...I think it excluded his 79, T9, 64 and T7 type hands...so he pretty much has some frisky complet air hand, 6x and some 8x hands. I think, given that I reraised to induce and the pot odds, I have to get it in...and reclicking him probably increase his air get it in range...at least marginally instead of shoving...and he still get it in with the 8x hands.



I really think this is optimistic. I agree you may induce jams from 79/9T but really think that 46 is unlikely since it has such poor equity if you have an 8. I don't think Hielko even c/r an 8 here because he's going to be flatting such a wide and weak range here that he has to have 8x here. MAYBE K8. I think if you flat the c/r you can DEFINITELY rep air or at least a good ace-high and induce some light value-betting


The overbet on AJ2 2 X:

I did fold A8o Poke Tongue...so wp Hielko. I still belive that my fold is very good...I considered my image so be somewhat callish/"wants to make the hero play" (after the Q8 call down and the A8 vs 56 og 668)...so I figured that they would never try to bluf me in this spot.



Yeah I agree it's a good fold given your image (as you see me saying that it's not a good bluff, you definitely knew what was going on in my head)


I hope some of you guys can use this Smile

I think I learned that you shouldn't adjust as fast....and that first impressions last a long time Poke Tongue
Hielko and FWF seemed to think the entire match that i was pretty stationy...pretty much only based on the Q8 call down on Q52 A K, when they have T5. (btw, I think this call down is pretty std vs any kind of aggro reg).



I'm not sure I would call it "standard": against me it's probably bad without history (precisely because I think people turn into big stations when overcards come and in general only try going for that bluff when I'm getting super frisky Smile

Thanks for your comments and for agreeing to do the vid

Posted over 2 years ago

thghupros

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Jow Fox? Is that supposed to be Jew Fox? Or No Fox? I'm so confused!

As for the opportunity cost of seeing a flop, look: you're posting blinds at a rapid rate. If you let a guy risk 1.5 to win 1.5 and only defend 30% or whatever you defend against 3x range, you're going to hemorrhage EV from the BB. So by "waiting to see your button" you're also speeding up the rate at which you post a BB and get brutally exploited OOP



Lol would be pretty harsh for me to open a post with Jew Fox right ? Grin Sorry im from holland , should have written something like ''Hi there Fox''.

Im still kinda in doubt if your argument holds up if you compare it to the direct advantage of playing more buttons per hour, even when you get exploited this way a bit (is it really that brutally ?) And I´m not really speeding up the rate of posting my BB compared to when someone 3x-es cause i still defend the same range as i would vs a 3bb open. SO nothing really changes for me, my opponent does benefit from it but my winrate doesnt really get hurt or something) I think its pretty hard for most players to play these hands significantly profitable vs a solid player who is IP'
(For what it´s worth ± i´m a 20bb/100 winner at HU , stakes 5/10 to 25/50 75% bumhunting - 25% regs over the last 3 years now)

Maybe it´s a huge leak on my part...... not sure.

Posted over 2 years ago




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