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Aaron - here you say you like to bet your stronger hands and use your weaker hands to bluff catch. But in this spot if you had something like KQ+, isn't he going to bet all the made hands that he'd call with anyway (like 8x+) and bet twice most of the hands that he'd call 3barrels with (Qx+), so you don't really lose any value from his made hands by checking a strong hand, but you do gain a lot of value from inducing bluffs.
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jk3a
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Aaron - here you say you like to bet your stronger hands and use your weaker hands to bluff catch. But in this spot if you had something like KQ+, isn't he going to bet all the made hands that he'd call with anyway (like 8x+) and bet twice most of the hands that he'd call 3barrels with (Qx+), so you don't really lose any value from his made hands by checking a strong hand, but you do gain a lot of value from inducing bluffs.
agree/disagree/thoughts?
I don't think that 8x+ bets the turn when checked to and Qx might not always bet turn and river. I do think there is merit to checking this texture with some strong hands given all the straight draws that might fold to a turn bet but it's likely best for an overall strategy to simply barrel KQ+ and use weaker hands to c/c turn.
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here Aaron says that the more frustrated he thinks the opponent thinks he is, the more likely he is to 3bet anything from a weak top pair to any flush draw. why? those hands seem fairly opposite from each other. I can see 3betting the top pair if he thinks you're frustrated with the intention of inducing bluffs when he thinks you're just playing back light. But if he plays back at you when you 3bet a weak flush draw, you can't really continue to a 4bet.
are there other reasons that you would 3bet both that I'm missing?
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here Aaron says that the more frustrated he thinks the opponent thinks he is, the more likely he is to 3bet anything from a weak top pair to any flush draw. why? those hands seem fairly opposite from each other. I can see 3betting the top pair if he thinks you're frustrated with the intention of inducing bluffs when he thinks you're just playing back light. But if he plays back at you when you 3bet a weak flush draw, you can't really continue to a 4bet.
are there other reasons that you would 3bet both that I'm missing?
stacks should probably be either deeper or a little shallower for 3betting any flush draw to be a fist pump 3bet there ( assuming the right dynamic exists to induce rebluffs that we can re-rebluff ), but even with current stacks if we think he rebluff ships with air or some straight draw we have nutted then it can add some hidden equity to a hand like 9Tss
in this case having any flushdraw with over or gutshot would be fine enough as a standard and then depending on how often he will spazz out and what bet size he choose any flushdraw could be fine
The reason for 3betting any top pair is similar, inducing the re-rebluff
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stacks should probably be either deeper or a little shallower for 3betting any flush draw to be good there ( assuming the right dynamic exists to induce rebluffs that we can re-rebluff
in this case having any flushdraw with over or gutshot would be fine enough
The reason for 3betting any top pair is similar, inducing the re-rebluff
okay so your plan is to jam over a 4bet or do it with a draw that has enough equity to call if he just jams himself?
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WiltOnTilt
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if he was the same opponent except he didn't strike you as a button clicker/confusion better, are you always calling river with a hand like 76?
hard to answer definitively yes or no, many people when they c/r the flop and get this run out our hand is a pretty weak bluff catcher. obv so is our bad 2pair as the results showed, but with the read that he does dumb/weird/confusing things then it makes the call easier.
i'd expect most ppl to never value bet worse than 67 there and if they were bluffing it will usually be with some hand that ends up with a straight or 2pair. There are some "backdoor" hands like JTcc and similar that he could follow through like this with but as compared to the reasonably wide value range (straights, flushes) that he can have you'd need a pretty good read to click call with a 1 card straight i think. So I definitely can't say we are "always" calling with 7x here but with the right reads it would be one of the better bluff catchers since we chop with some of his value range
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