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A-LX

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Villain was pretty decent probably some kind of regular. At first I was on the upper hand then he got back and at this point I was regaining the momentum again, turning up the aggression a bit. I've been 3bettinng a lot more in the last couple of hands and saw him call really light with low pairs and other stuff. But he would usually play those pretty passive only betting once when bluffing then checking behind when called.

Its the 2nd time he raised me in the match in a 3bet pot over about 300 hands. First time he raised me was on a somewhat drawy baord, this time the board is much dryer apart from the flush draw, and his value range is really narrow, since I have toptwo. So a bluff or semibluff is very likely, espeically when I've been 3betting and cbetting him the last couple of hands.

What's the best line, do I raise here if so how much or just call and maybe let him barrel?

Also I think I probably should've 3bet a bit bigger and cbet a bit bigger because we're deeper. Or should I keep it the same?


Full Tilt Poker $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players - View hand 883857
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Hero (BB): $162.50
BTN/SB: $326.65

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with A Heart Q Club
BTN/SB raises to $3, Hero raises to $10, BTN/SB calls $7

Flop: ($20.00) Q Heart 7 Heart A Club (2 players)
Hero bets $11.00, BTN/SB raises to $27, [color=red]Hero

Posted over 1 year ago

simpleme

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I prefer a call since he is not gonna 3bet bluff you in a 3bet pot pbb .. Calling leaves room for him to bluff turn and river..
Obv try to pot controll when a Heart hits

Posted over 1 year ago

rune0714

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easy call and get it in on non Heart turns (CRAI turn)

Posted over 1 year ago

rotgutten

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Look to get it in on flop, hes basically repping 77/HH here with so much of his range been HH.... also, so many turn cards kill action for you here...

Posted over 1 year ago

Kai

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Look to get it in on flop, hes basically repping 77/HH here with so much of his range been HH.... also, so many turn cards kill action for you here...




I LIKE it.

Posted over 1 year ago

jonwies

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I think I'd prefer a call since he's less likely to spaz ship or shove a naked flush draw when this deep (unless you have a read). You can still easily get a lot of money in since the pot is pretty bloated already. However I'm not happy with the downside that he could have something like AJ and pot control the turn (some people take weird lines Smile)

I always feel dumb when I 3bet and they snap fold Frown

Then again you can't go wrong with this hand unless you fold. 3betting the flop is fine if you think he's always giving up with his pure bluffs, since he won't fold any draw.

Posted over 1 year ago

tokeweed

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i like raising here better and go for value right away cos we are oop. by calling we are risking him checking back at the turn and folding the river. if we call here and check and he checks behind that would suck.

Posted over 1 year ago

theclock

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I like bet-3bet here. If he does have a fd, we can get the money in now and if he folds you can lead more in future pots imo. He would be more careful in the future when raising your bets.

Posted over 1 year ago

shuttle

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I think I'd bet/3bet here. It's easy to overestimate how often we will get bluffed if we get called. Especially given the read he is playing fairly passive in 3bet pots.

Posted over 1 year ago

A-LX

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NoWayFolding

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Look to get it in on flop, hes basically repping 77/HH here with so much of his range been HH.... also, so many turn cards kill action for you here...



|NO turn cards kill your action tho.....

Posted over 1 year ago

Gman

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Lots of not so good responses in this thread. OP you are right, his value range is uber thin in this and many other spots when raising c-bets in 3 bet pots while 150bb+ deep. Combine that w/ card removal reason and not enough history to think he's ever r/c something like AJ here or that you are gonna 3 bet the flop w/ air, I think it's any easy flat and probably a c/c on the turn too if he bets small enough to set up a reasonable river bluff shove.

Also, the vast majority of players are just going to flat the flop w/ their equity hands, particularly flush draws as they correctly don't want to kill the equity of their hand when they get 3 balled on the flop. 1 more reason not to 3 bet the flop-no way he ever 4 bet bluff shoves the flop w/o a hh hand, and even if he does have hearts, he still might fold or play perfectly depending on our 3 bet size.

Posted over 1 year ago

rotgutten

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|NO turn cards kill your action tho.....



No cards? Like I said he is basically repping 77/HH here.

HH is like 85% of his range here so flatting and seeing a non Heart turn kills action as due to nature of hand it is very unlikely villain attempts to bluff on turn or river here and has more equity to get it in on flop. If he has 77 then money is likely going in regardless leaving you drawing 4 outs + backdoor flush.

If you flat and H comes turn how do you play hand? C/Jam?, C/C?, C/F?, it makes situation a lot more difficult.

I stand by trying to get it in on flop.

Posted over 1 year ago

WaLkOfLiFe

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I think you can make decent arguments for both options based on the vil. If u suspect the vil is the type to be one and done and he wont be firing off turns and rivers on A hi boards once you call flop or turn then you can make a pretty decent argument for 3b the flop and try to get him to ship his good draws or a random rebluff attempt as u have little to gain by letting a turn come off.

However I think if the vil is any type of reg the stack depth is perfect for a call c/c turn and riv because he will think for 160BB he can apply a lot of pressure on your one pair hands like AJ AK while thinking he reps AQ pretty well and may expect you to think he plays AQ this way with the stack depth. So I like the call, c/c, c/c in this case with what u have said but I think there are instances where this can be a pretty easy 3b flop spot vs a good % of people I play at least.

Posted over 1 year ago




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