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600NL: AQ facing c/r on turn


hurricane562

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this is a fullring table against a fullring player (plays up to nl5k) but we played ~200 hands only hu bc noone wanted to join us
he played a 65/57/5.8 style with a 3bet of 19%
noone of us played really spewy but i think he is capable for big moves


Poker Stars $3/$6 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players - View hand 576757
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Hero (BTN/SB): $916.00
BB: $1120.00

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BTN/SB with A Club Q Heart
Hero raises to $18, BB calls $12

Flop: ($36.00) 6 Spade 2 Diamond Q Diamond (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $24, BB calls $24

Turn: ($84.00) 3 Spade (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $54, BB raises to $201, Hero calls $147

River: ($486.00) K Diamond (2 players)
BB bets $348, Hero???

Posted almost 2 years ago

NoWayFolding

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Has he been c/r flop a lot?
If so what range is he doing that?

Do you think he c/c 33 on this flop. Same with 54?

Also how good is he?

Posted almost 2 years ago

hurricane562

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1. Has he been c/r flop a lot?
2. If so what range is he doing that?

3. Do you think he c/c 33 on this flop. Same with 54?

4. Also how good is he?



1. dunno, i think he played pretty taggish and didnt c/r too often bc i didnt cbet too much and there really was no hand that where he played outta line (maybe only that he donk-donk-donk-bluffed two times on kinda wet boards)
his fold to cbet is 49% and his raise cb 16% (but fr hands included over a big sample; sample for this session was obv too small)

2. i think he float here very much bc im cbettin very often on these boards, so i give him a Q, any pair, any A high, i think hed raise the cb with a fd or like 4Spade5Spade and i think hell flat KQ as well occasionally but not wont raise the turn with imo, and he definitely can flatt 22 or 66 there

3. answered in 2. bc i think he flats and PP

4. i think hes a good fr reg and played a 17/14 style which is very standard, its jmoney10587


i forgot in the first post to mention that the match was very friendly and we joked in the chat sometimes (idk if its important Smile )

Posted almost 2 years ago

NoWayFolding

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Well if he is calling your cbet with that wide a range, and given the naturally aggression of him Id be really tempted to call and call any river.

I dont think floating here with Ahi, and calling with some pairs (like 33/44/55) is a great play by him. If thats the case it means his range on the turn is wide and weak which means (especially if he is aggro) he is going to be c/r the turn as a bluff a LOT more than for value!

If he is good he may start adjusting his range on the turn to include hands like KQ,QJ, since you might barrel more as a bluff and lighter for value too.

Eitehr case we beat both and I really would not fold turn nor any river.
Obviously river becomes closer if he can c/c c/r some FD but I dont think thats much of an issue so I would calldown here.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Gman

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His sizing on the turn c/r + that river card make this a pretty good spot to fold imo. Some guys will never take this line for value tho as it looks really strong, so this decision is often based upon what level you believe your opponent is on. Other more mediocre players will never bluff when taking this line.

Posted almost 2 years ago

hurricane562

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ok thx for the answers
yeah i think it depends very much on our leveling and the gameflow
and i called him bc i knew that he plays up to 5k and that our match was very friendly and i thought hell bluff me more often then bc i didnt tilt or something
and he showed up with AGriniamondsJx Wink

Posted almost 2 years ago

NoWayFolding

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His sizing on the turn c/r + that river card make this a pretty good spot to fold imo. Some guys will never take this line for value tho as it looks really strong, so this decision is often based upon what level you believe your opponent is on. Other more mediocre players will never bluff when taking this line.



Gman.
Now you know his range.

What are your adjustments when playing hands like:

a)QQ,45

b)A2ss T9dd

Thanks

Posted almost 2 years ago

Gman

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Gman.
Now you know his range.

What are your adjustments when playing hands like:

a)QQ,45

b)A2ss T9dd

Thanks



Not sure I understand your question. Trying rephrasing it if you can.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Babyhead

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If villain wanted to pretend his J was a Diamond he should have CR the flop, which would be hard to advocate w/o gameflow. I also kinda don't like the Preflop minraise just because it becomes easy to rep 2pr vs. cbets.

Posted almost 2 years ago

NoWayFolding

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Not sure I understand your question. Trying rephrasing it if you can.



Ok Gman,

Instead of AQ, if you had these hands:

QQ, 45s, A2ss, T9dd how are you going to be playing them on the turn?

Posted almost 2 years ago

Gman

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W/ the info I had, I'd call/call QQ and 45, Call/fold A2ss unimproved and just fold the turn w/ T9dd.

Posted almost 2 years ago

NoWayFolding

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W/ the info I had, I'd call/call QQ and 45, Call/fold A2ss unimproved and just fold the turn w/ T9dd.



Noobish questions but want to pick your brain Smile

So there are no hands you are shoving turn? Is that because you think he may bluff the river if he misses his draw enough of the time?

Why are you folding the turn with T9dd but not A2ss? Whats the worse draw you are calling with then and why?

Posted almost 2 years ago

Gman

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Noobish questions but want to pick your brain Smile

So there are no hands you are shoving turn? Is that because you think he may bluff the river if he misses his draw enough of the time?

Why are you folding the turn with T9dd but not A2ss? Whats the worse draw you are calling with then and why?



In this situation, no. When we have QQQ we have the deck crushed and it's more likely he's bluffing, so I think flatting is better. And yes, I think he will bluff the river a decent amount when he whiffs.

I'd call w/ A2ss because a) we have more outs b) we have SD value c) we have the nut draw and occasionally can stack smaller spades. I wouldn't fold a gutter and a FD on the turn either.

Posted almost 2 years ago




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