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Time Link to 00:25:57
I mostly agree with Saibots check/giveup with 96o on table #1 on J42tt. Do you really think we are getting enough folds to make a profit here? I think villain rarely folds this flop and we dont have any barreling options. I dont assume you wanna barrel a turn spade with a 6 high flushdraw and 9 high, or?
I mostly agree with Saibots check/giveup with 96o on table #1 on J42tt. Do you really think we are getting enough folds to make a profit here? I think villain rarely folds this flop and we dont have any barreling options. I dont assume you wanna barrel a turn spade with a 6 high flushdraw and 9 high, or?
curious why you don't think we have any barrel options here... usually it works out such that villain is either calling the flop with hands like over cards and ace highs which we can barrel him off the turn, or he's not calling those hands on the flop in which case our cbet is likely profitable in and of itself.
Table #4: Why not cbet T8s on AT7tt?
it's a spot i cbet against some but not all players. The looser they are, the more inclined I am to cbet
curious why you don't think we have any barrel options here... usually it works out such that villain is either calling the flop with hands like over cards and ace highs which we can barrel him off the turn, or he's not calling those hands on the flop in which case our cbet is likely profitable in and of itself.
The lack of barreling options lies in the fact that our hand has very low equity. 96o is pretty much the bottom of our range on this flop, so why shouldn't it be ok to just give it up?
The lack of barreling options lies in the fact that our hand has very low equity. 96o is pretty much the bottom of our range on this flop, so why shouldn't it be ok to just give it up?
i think giving up is ok, but i think betting is better against most opponents. There are certain spots where against many players you don't need equity against top pair to bluff, simply the bet size risk/reward is enough.
yoyo !
6:17 table 1: K3 @ 583 Q: what do U think about bet turn + river as bluff ?
villain could have some weak 8x + other sdv hands because his flop cbet is 45% = it will be hard for him to call turn + 6 7(overbet) 9 T J (PSB)
15:19 table nr 2: k5 @ J28 = what if not Ax rolls off ? are U going to bet turn + good rivers to force him to fold Ax + small pocketpairs?
17:01 KT @ Q72 9ddd = ill bet this turn all day long, because I have more EQ + direct fold eq vs Ax + small pps w/o fd
K6 @ JA8 vs 80% OOP + 20% 3bet + backdoor nfd = I like to bet flop, he need to fold here like 20% of the time
yoyo !
6:17 table 1: K3 @ 583 Q: what do U think about bet turn + river as bluff ?
villain could have some weak 8x + other sdv hands because his flop cbet is 45% = it will be hard for him to call turn + 6 7(overbet) 9 T J (PSB)
just be careful about how many straight draws you represent vs aware opponents. Vs guys who are just ok and look at the absolute value of their hand, it's probably fine to keep firing here, but just keep in mind that the rest of the range you are representing on this board texture... tons of straight draws.
yea def against some dudes it is not good deal. WTS stat might be usefull here (obv it is small sample to get scientific read about it but we can pick up some tendency = if his WTS is on small side <20 Ill look up for this type of spot to bet turn + good river, because like 50% of the time we get good card to do sth)
35:02
77 = what do U think about going 3streets vs ~73% vpip OOP ? on good runout obv
yea def against some dudes it is not good deal. WTS stat might be usefull here (obv it is small sample to get scientific read about it but we can pick up some tendency = if his WTS is on small side <20 Ill look up for this type of spot to bet turn + good river, because like 50% of the time we get good card to do sth)
35:02
77 = what do U think about going 3streets vs ~73% vpip OOP ? on good runout obv
being loose oop is a consideration but i think the more important consideration for going 3 streets here is whether or not they are willing to bluff catch light. Even guys who play like 55% oop here will have a ton of Ax and 77 is the best hand very often, but that doesn't speak to whether or not they will bluff catch with it. I think this run out is a pretty good one to go for thin value here vs a guy who is paranoid about how weak his own range is here oop.
Time Link to 00:34:20
I'm the villain.
@Wilt
You called my play transparent. You do realize I'm value checkraising right? Thoughts?
I'm the villain.
@Wilt
You called my play transparent. You do realize I'm value checkraising right? Thoughts?
Are you saying the A8 was for value? If so I didn't realize that. I think it's kind of a sick play for value, but might be too thin because of the board texture. Obv if we are happily bet/calling J9 we would happily bet/call Q8 as well, but I'm not sure if there are enough other 8x that can bet/call. 8T might bet turn as a semibluff, same with 85, and 84 probably doesn't bet the river for value.
About 19 mins in hero checks back with KK on a AQQ flop and folds turn. The hand wasn't discussed but if we're going to fold KK to any bet aren't we better off cbetting it?
I guess once we've checked the flop we've turned our hand face up and can expect to be barreled but if that's the case why not just call sometimes to keep villain honest?
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