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illsided

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Villain was 61/38/1.00

Merge $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players - View hand 1748246
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Hero (BB): $64.17
BTN/SB: $41.75

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with 7 Heart 6 Spade
BTN/SB raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.50) 4 Heart 8 Club 5 Heart (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $1.25, Hero raises to $3.25, BTN/SB calls $2

Turn: ($8.00) T Heart (2 players)
Hero bets $6.00, BTN/SB raises to $12, Hero calls $6

River: ($32.00) J Club (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $25.75 Hero ???

Posted about 1 year ago

A-LX

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any reads other than 61/38/1? not even sure what they mean is that sb vpip/ bb vpip? or average vpip and pfr?

Posted about 1 year ago

sklien

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any reads other than 61/38/1? not even sure what they mean is that sb vpip/ bb vpip? or average vpip and pfr?



Guessing it is vpip/pfr/aggr Smile

Posted about 1 year ago

illsided

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any reads other than 61/38/1? not even sure what they mean is that sb vpip/ bb vpip? or average vpip and pfr?


Yes sorry total VPIP/PFR/AGG. no real reads the only note on him was he called my first 4bet with J9os against my AK and checked it down

Posted about 1 year ago

don caballero

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fold pf. villain isn't opening nearly wide enough for you to defend so light.

as played i raise bigger on the flop because there's a ton of stuff he can call you with. on turn i think i just bet/fold against the min raise. can't blame you for peeling turn but river should be a fold.

Edit: turn is even more of a fold considering his low agg factor and the one read you had that he checked down J-hi in a 4-bet pot.

Posted about 1 year ago

simonpoker

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I'd call, I mean he might 3bet flop with some of his FD's and people like to slowplay flushes, really rare for some one to raise like that when he hits.Sure you are going to see flushes here but not often enough.

Posted about 1 year ago

jonwies

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I have no idea what your stats mean so I can't really say about the turn/river, but 67o should probably be a fold preflop unless you have some very distinct reason to play like 70% in the BB.

You should use VPIP SB // VPIP BB with extra 3bet, limp, etc. stats since it gives a better picture of how they're playing than a combined VPIP/PFR.

That said, if it's a standard random fish I'd fold since it's 25NL, he minraised when the flush hit and happily jammed the river -- fish always have it here (I swear it takes years to realize this).

--Upon reading back over some replies: he flat 4bet with J9o and checked down, so he's a passive fish. Even easier fold now.

The only time I'd call is if I had some read that he likes to overplay non-nuttish 2pair hands and whatnot on wet boards. I'd consider calling against more "reggish" or aggressive players who I thought capable of semi bluffing the turn, but then why would they be minraising? I'd probably still end up folding.

Posted about 1 year ago

danndann1

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I 67o should probably be a fold preflop unless you have some very distinct reason to play like 70% in the BB.



im playing 67 and i defend ~40% oop, ducy?

op, just fold river pretty much vs whole 25nl player pool

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Posted about 1 year ago

jonwies

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Well you'd probably be better off folding 67 and calling other hands.

Posted about 1 year ago

chrisanagno

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I'd call, I mean he might 3bet flop with some of his FD's and people like to slowplay flushes, really rare for some one to raise like that when he hits.Sure you are going to see flushes here but not often enough.



3bet flop with FD's and agg factor 1??????????/that should be nearly impossible..also notice that he minraises,he prob would have bet bigger if he was on a bluff,but what bluffs can he really have ehere?
imo bet/fold turn

Posted about 1 year ago

don caballero

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im playing 67 and i defend ~40% oop, ducy?

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i do not CY. villain is 3xing and opening 38%(?). sure, against a 3x you want to defend 40% to avoid being exploited, but that assumes villain is raising 100% of BTNs. here he is opening considerably less, so you're exploiting him by playing tight OOP.

Even if villain were raising 100% of BTNs to 3x, that doesn't mean you have to flat 40% of hands. It means you need to be either 3betting or flatting a total of 40% to make his opens immediately neutral EV.

Posted about 1 year ago

PrinzVonHapunkt

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don caballero

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hence the word "immediately" before "neutral EV"

and it's precisely because pf is not a vacuum that'm arguing 76o should be a fold. it's playability is low, and we're exploiting the villain by playing tight OOP vs his tight opening range. we'll make more money from him open folding his BTNs than we will trying to defend against his strong raising range.

Posted about 1 year ago

pickpokkit

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Yes but we called pre and now what?

I think this one is very hard to get away from. I've stacked off in this exact situation often recently.

Your opponent always has you beat here - there are plenty of flushes and a higher straight that beats you. He has Flush or bluff.

Posted about 1 year ago

Adriano85

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