B-rye88
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Interesting spot for me with the bet sizing. To me I would say that since I want him to fold his one pair hands I want to make a bet size that is believable with AT, and if we were value betting we would want to bet smaller simply because a big part of his range is one pair hands that have to hero call us.
Against this opponent, safe to say that we can make the exploitable play and bet bigger with his bluffs and smaller with our value hands to try and get the best of both worlds where he calls against our value range and hopefully folds against our bluffing range?
Or would you value bet big with a flush hoping to get more value out of non x/r'd two pairs?
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21:30 : you said he should bet a jack on the turn. if i'm villian i struggle a bit with betting for "thin" value with a very capped range and im a little afraid to get exploited if he c/r big (~potsize or even bigger) on the turn and barreled on the river close to pot (or even bigger) if i call the c/r because he knows i have a very weak range when i delayed c bet on this turn. i think its somewhat ok to bet the turn with weak madehands because he wont try to c/r us very often for value because he cant expect us to bet the turn a lot when checked to but im a little but unsure. do you trapcheck the flop sometimes with Ax or FD to avoid being capped at Jx with your turn bettingrange? or do you think it isn't exploitable to bet the turn in villian shoes with a range wich is NEVER stronger than a jack?
i hope you get my point and can talk a bit about betting the turn in villian shoes.
nice video 
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B-rye88
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The logic not to 3bet KQ/KJ is what exactly ? Vs someone that folds to alot of 3bets you want to keep the dominated hands in that would fold to a 3bet ? What other hands fall to this category ? AQ/AJ/AT/KT QJ?
Basically. The entire reason to 3bet KQ/KJ is that people float preflop with alot of junk, so having a bunch more hands that stand up well to a range of floats like 97s is going to be good. If he's not floating, then there's no reason to 3bet those hands and we can just keep our flatting range even stronger.
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WiltOnTilt
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given how easy villain seems to be making it for us OOP, what do you think about widening our calling range and playing the 78o for a min-raise? Seems like since villain isn't value betting very thinly and seems kind of bad we should be able to show a profit.
reasonable
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WiltOnTilt
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Interesting spot for me with the bet sizing. To me I would say that since I want him to fold his one pair hands I want to make a bet size that is believable with AT, and if we were value betting we would want to bet smaller simply because a big part of his range is one pair hands that have to hero call us.
Against this opponent, safe to say that we can make the exploitable play and bet bigger with his bluffs and smaller with our value hands to try and get the best of both worlds where he calls against our value range and hopefully folds against our bluffing range?
Or would you value bet big with a flush hoping to get more value out of non x/r'd two pairs?
I'd probably just do as you initially suggest and bet bigger with the bluffs and smaller with the value hands against this particular villain
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WiltOnTilt
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Interesting; I would have opted for a x/c turn x/f river line and possibly either a thin value bet or a x/c if he checks back turn. You think he never calls with AJ / AT on the flop?
The question isn't necessarily if he ever/never has those hands, but how often he has those hands compared to the rest of his range. We also would want to know whether or not he tries to bluff with those hands or if he would just check and try to get to showdown or if he might just bluff raise the flop instead of float People play those spots differently and it's not easy to know.
I'd much rather go for a turn c/c on a K Q J T than the 9.
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WiltOnTilt
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21:30 : you said he should bet a jack on the turn. if i'm villian i struggle a bit with betting for "thin" value with a very capped range and im a little afraid to get exploited if he c/r big (~potsize or even bigger) on the turn and barreled on the river close to pot (or even bigger) if i call the c/r because he knows i have a very weak range when i delayed c bet on this turn. i think its somewhat ok to bet the turn with weak madehands because he wont try to c/r us very often for value because he cant expect us to bet the turn a lot when checked to but im a little but unsure. do you trapcheck the flop sometimes with Ax or FD to avoid being capped at Jx with your turn bettingrange? or do you think it isn't exploitable to bet the turn in villian shoes with a range wich is NEVER stronger than a jack?
i hope you get my point and can talk a bit about betting the turn in villian shoes.
nice video 
I was referring to hero with the 66 should bet the turn on the jack.
but if we are villain, and we do have a jack, i'd definitely still bet it since hero shouldn't really be going for a turn c/r on this card as it's very unlikely that the button will hit the J when he checks behind the flop. The only hands most would check behind there and hit the turn would be exactly KJ and maybe QJ as well since people usually will cbet their air on this board texture.
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WiltOnTilt
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You ch back FD on the flop often ? I think both players have flush repping problem by the river.
not often, but sometimes, but mostly when betting this river i'm representing top pair and some 2 pairs
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