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Poker Video: Misc/Other by Joe Tall (Mid Stakes)

Enjoying this series Joe.

I would like to see a focus on Stud.

My two biggest difficulties when playing Stud are:

1. Deciding which pairs are playable on 3rd street.
2. How to proceed when we have only one pair (when to be aggressive, when to call down & when to give up).


JF

Nice video, It's always interesting to see other games videos, even though I'm still sticking with Hold'em,

Regarding the K87K hand (30:22)

the board being 232AJ

I like you turnbet for the reasons you named, but is there any merit in a river bet to get the opponent of a better high hand or are people just generally prone to call river bets hoping to win any half of the pot ? You're opponent did make 2 pair on the river, but I guess he would fold if he had AT96 instead of AJ96, or is the risk/reward ration too bad to bluff someone off half the pot ?

I'd also like a focus on stud as i feel the game is much more complex than O8.

I like you turnbet for the reasons you named, but is there any merit in a river bet to get the opponent of a better high hand or are people just generally prone to call river bets hoping to win any half of the pot You're opponent did make 2 pair on the river, but I guess he would fold if he had AT96 instead of AJ96, or is the risk/reward ration too bad to bluff someone off half the pot ??

Once he calls the turn, the low is there, we are headed to a show down. There is basically no draw left to make, it's all there on the turn. I guess you could argue that he could just have a low, or just have a high(which he did) but the problem is that my high and my low are sooooo very weak, too often, even through his hand is weak, he'll have both.

I would only take A86x, and all combination there of to scoop me.

Enjoying this series Joe.

I would like to see a focus on Stud.

My two biggest difficulties when playing Stud are:

1. Deciding which pairs are playable on 3rd street.
2. How to proceed when we have only one pair (when to be aggressive, when to call down & when to give up).


JF

+1
also playing O8 and you are sure you are going to get quartered, when should you lay it down with a made low. im so stoked theres so much of the non holdem games on this site kudos.
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I'm playing the WSOPE 5k Horse event in a couple days, would you mind talking at all about ways you adapt to playing live horse games compared to online, and possible adjustments you'd make in your next video

I'm playing the WSOPE 5k Horse event in a couple days, would you mind talking at all about ways you adapt to playing live horse games compared to online, and possible adjustments you'd make in your next video

My video is produced already. I definitely can talk about this topic as I have a lot of experience. I will put it on my list for the series.

Joe,

Thanks for continuing to do such a great job of instructing us on the HORSE games. After 3 60 hour work weeks in a row I'm having to play some catchup on the series so I apologize about being slow on the questions.

Concerning the hand in the second example where you have 5h2s3hTs, I can't help thinking this is an easy fold on the turn. For 1 you don't have any clean outs. 2 of the outs you had on the flop were further tainted by the second flush draw. The reverse implied odds look pretty strong. Would you be so kind as to elaborate on this hand a bit?

Time Link to 00:14:24

I presume this is obviously a river bet/fold to a c/r, right? Just confirming.

(AAT8 where the river makes a wheel possible.)

Time Link to 00:16:42

These are the kinds of river decisions I need to improve in my own game.

OK, so the pot is laying us 2.625:1 on the low end only, so with no chance at the high we need our low to be good 27.6% of the time. Or we need 16% equity (5.25:1) overall.



Range #1: Straightforward value-only range

A4**,A39*,A38*,AA3*,A3KK,A3QQ,A3JJ,A3TT,234*,245* (link)

If our opponent's "typical", what would be his bet-bet-bet range? Any A4, with or without a low, of course. A few other 24 hands he'd open, like 234 or 245. Any nut low with a reasonable hand, something like A38.

We're 25% overall -- a slight favorite to win low, actually! -- so it's a clear call.




Range #2: Thin value-only range

A4**,A39*,A38*,AA3*,A3KK,A3QQ,A3JJ,A3TT,AA5*,A5KK,A5QQ,A5JJ,A5TT,A59*,A58*,A25*,A23*,234*,245* (link)

If he's good at value betting, but for some reason doesn't ever 3-barrel a low-only lock, maybe he's betting down as thin as A5 + a reasonable high. Maybe A23 or A25, to really push it.

I don't really notice people value betting down this thinly in games up to the Stars $5/10, by the way.

Then we drop to 17% overall -- a marginal call.




Range #3: Mixed thin value and semibluff (naked A3) range

A4**,A3**,AA5*,A5KK,A5QQ,A5JJ,A5TT,A59*,A58*,234*,245* (link)

What if he's capable of barreling any A3 to get us off a weak high, and also betting down with the same thin value range? Then our bottom pair can win high occasionally, so we're 24%. Again, a clear call.
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Looks like the only case where this is even close to a fold is where we're pretty certain our opponent is good enough to bet A23/A25 for value, but not aggressive enough to bet naked A3 as a semibluff. I'm sure I'm missing something, so please do check my math and my reasoning!

Oops, I realized that the background to my post is white, not black, and time expired before I could change the color to blue.

Range #2:
A4**,A39*,A38*,AA3*,A3KK,A3QQ,A3JJ,A3TT,AA5*,A5KK,A5QQ,A5JJ,A5TT,A59*,A58*,A25*,A23*,234*,245*

Range #3:
A4**,A3**,AA5*,A5KK,A5QQ,A5JJ,A5TT,A59*,A58*,234*,245*