OnTheRail15
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Re 56 on 9T7
I think I like c/r the flop and barreling although it's pretty close. There are a lot of good turn cards that don't complete your hand but do give Lela a good chance to fold. J,Q,club.
On the turn you've got a pretty interesting decision. If you had a bit weaker hand I think I'd like a donk/bluff (Lets say a hand like Kcx) but as it is, I think c/f is probably best.
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OnTheRail15
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Cool vid guys. I thought both of you played pretty well and even JT in the hold 'em didn't butcher too many hands 
Seriously though. I learned a lot here and look forward to the next installment. I'd love to be a villain at some point down the line (not too high please)
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fnupple
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K3 on AK4r
I kinda dislike both of your plays in this spot. Moritz does have one of his better 4s, but still I'd be using his hand as the top of my c/c range rather than the bottom of my c/r for value range. My comments from the last hand apply here as well.
Joe,
Your turn raise seems bad imo because Moritz's value range is actually pretty strong here and his bluff range is pretty wide. Also you have a BAD king, which is much different in this spot than something like KQ. I like calling to induce bluffs and betting when checked to on the river.
Your river bet is way too thin once the board pairs. I also think you should probably fold to the raise with a hand this far down your value range. Moritz just doesn't have enough hands that he's turning into a bluff for you to bluff catch with your whole bluff catching range. I think the results are pretty instructive in this case. I mean you say: "uh oh" then you bet/call. LOL
Yeah pretty weird hand, but I do think my flop c/r is OK. I like to have some 4s in my c/r range, and this is the best bottom pair I could possibly have. I would probably not have checkraised without the BDFD. Obv I was hoping that JT correctly views me as a spewtard that's checkraising all kinds of nonsense on this board
, and if he decides to get stubborn with a Q hi I have him totally destroyed. For the same reason I decided to not believe him on the turn, although that might be kinda bad actually. Dunno, I'm not that good at folding pairs 
Also: JT's turn/river line is pretty bad for the reasons you gave.
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jjd323
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I'm pretty sure that this is too tight to fold the 4T6 to a 3-door steal - *maybe* with the rake you can justify it. You can outflop him and win immediately, and even though you both have low cards, I haven't been getting the feeling he has been passing up any ATC steals.
Also, if you are playing this tight with low vs. low door you should almost certainly be 3-betting any hand you do choose to play against him. Would be good to see a discussion of why we 3-bet 3rd and why we won't, and some common balance issues we might come up against with competent opponents.
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Joe Tall
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I'm pretty sure that this is too tight to fold the 4T6 to a 3-door steal - *maybe* with the rake you can justify it. You can outflop him and win immediately, and even though you both have low cards, I haven't been getting the feeling he has been passing up any ATC steals.
Also, if you are playing this tight with low vs. low door you should almost certainly be 3-betting any hand you do choose to play against him. Would be good to see a discussion of why we 3-bet 3rd and why we won't, and some common balance issues we might come up against with competent opponents.
100% agree. I think I was embarrassed and busy trying to explain my Stud-Hi HU concept while I was playing Razz. Making a live-HU-Mix game vid is not as easy as I thought it would be!
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Hood
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Yeah pretty weird hand, but I do think my flop c/r is OK. I like to have some 4s in my c/r range, and this is the best bottom pair I could possibly have. I would probably not have checkraised without the BDFD. Obv I was hoping that JT correctly views me as a spewtard that's checkraising all kinds of nonsense on this board
, and if he decides to get stubborn with a Q hi I have him totally destroyed. For the same reason I decided to not believe him on the turn, although that might be kinda bad actually. Dunno, I'm not that good at folding pairs 
Also: JT's turn/river line is pretty bad for the reasons you gave.
Doesn't that weak for a pretty weak checkcall range that will be folding to too many barrels?
This is a pretty wow vid Señor Tall, live sweat mixed limit HU is probably the hardest coaching vid that would could imagine doing, and it's quite amazing you pulled it off. I probably learnt more about poker in this one vid than any other.
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Joe Tall
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Isn't 94 is a pretty tight fold here getting 3-1? Though, with the high rake and being OOP against fnupple I can't blame you too much.
Thanks! I clearly state that in the video. You want to play as close to optimal as possible but when you have a big advantage in the other games, it's more optimal for you to pull out of marginal spots during the games you have no advantage.
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Joe Tall
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Doesn't that weak for a pretty weak checkcall range that will be folding to too many barrels?
This is a pretty wow vid Señor Tall, live sweat mixed limit HU is probably the hardest coaching vid that would could imagine doing, and it's quite amazing you pulled it off. I probably learnt more about poker in this one vid than any other.
Wow, thank you very much.
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cyber
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Folding to the raise because he won't raise a 98 doesn't make sense. A 98 is the best hand he can possibly have. This seems like a super easy check/call to me?
even a bet/call is ok (betting to get paid by J9 or T9 AND to induce a bluff) - folding to th raise doesn't make much sense IMHO, as he can't legitimately raise you with the 98 for value (unless he thinks he has a timing tell that you're betting the T-low), because you are representing a hand stronger than the 98...
Frankly I'm quite sure he bricked 7th...
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