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Poker Video: Razz by Joe Tall (Mid Stakes)

Is there going to be a 2-7 tripple draw vid in this series, or are you just sticking to HORSE games?

6th I brick, opponent gets a deuce. Here i lack the discipline to fold, and basically hope to catch a 9low which then may or may not be good. A clear fold here?

I think you can find a fold here. This is where a read on your opponent may be helpful. Also, if you had followed the dead cards you would know that his six is not paired and the 2 on 6th is not likely paired. Would love to get Joe's feedback on how the deadcards would determine his action on this and the subsequent streets.

He definitely has to fold 5th and yes, 6th is a must. On 4th he caught perfect but it got ugly fast after that.

Is there going to be a 2-7 tripple draw vid in this series, or are you just sticking to HORSE games?

This Series: All Mixed Up

Joe Tall and danzasmack team up for a live-play continuation of Season One's 'From a Donk to a Stud'. They will play Omaha Hi/Low, Razz, Stud Hi and Stud Hi/Low over the series as they take turns sweating each other in mid-stakes online games. Joe will concentrate on short-handed play while Chuck will play mostly full ring games.

Really beat on DeathDonkey for 2-7TD, he's got a WSOP cash in the game, he's the man there!

I am not kidding, I just ordered it, can't wait. I doubt it will change how I feel about the game overall (the pain that it gives me) but it should be great for me to read.

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Ohhhh, it's ON NOW! WATCH OUT!

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Ohhhh, it's ON NOW! WATCH OUT!

LMAO! The shit is on!

@ 9min15sec into the video you have an optimal extended steal opp. I know you and Chuck were chattin' at the time and maybe didn't see it. Was this the case or was there another consideration. You only had to fade 1 eight and you had the 4 in the door. Ok I'm back to watching.

Yeah, I agree, it's pretty clear to me that I auto-clicked w/o looking, as we were deep in discussion.

i agree, i understand there were some sticky spots where u had to make some folds and u definitely ran poorly throughout the video, but there were some insanely tight folds i thought that you guys made. i agree with jkwizzle on reading that book, and i also feel like there are more hands you couldve played throughout the video. i do enjoy the other stud and hi/lo games.

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I think you fail to realize that he would and prob. should raise your 9T hand w/ a 8 draw to put you in awful spots later, plus he will prob. improve to a made 8 at least half the time and you have to hit perfect twice to make a hand better than a 9. Seems like a very straight forward spot to me, and for you to miss it makes me question why you are playing in games this big. I think his mistake was not betting that 8 even if he paired it(which i am like 99% sure he did,) but he obv. checked it behind because he has a draw to a better hand than your more than likely (from his perspective) made 9. If there was anything to gauge from this hand its that he views you as a station and that is why he didn't bet. The reason i say this is because you r/r pre and he could/should be putting a 3 in your pairing range since there hasn't been any 3s out yet.

not to be rude, but you guys just seemed lost in that hand explanation. seems very obv. you have a made T9 w/ a very smooth 9 draw, he has a 8 draw. I am not a math whiz but i think he is around a 57% fav. w/ a 8 draw over your made T9 w/ a 9 draw. The morale of the story is, a dirty 87662 vs your 2459T (or whatever) is a fav.

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this is extremely funny here....this whole casino seq. of events made me literally LOL......"did ya pair your toe"

not to be rude, but you guys just seemed lost in that hand explanation. seems very obv. you have a made T9 w/ a very smooth 9 draw, he has a 8 draw. I am not a math whiz but i think he is around a 57% fav. w/ a 8 draw over your made T9 w/ a 9 draw. The morale of the story is, a dirty 87662 vs your 2459T (or whatever) is a fav.

I think we are talking about 6th street when I make the wheel draw.

I think we are talking about 6th street when I make the wheel draw.

not possible because nothing interesting happened on 6th other than him checking back which as i stated prior meant he paired his 8 (which is what you had thought later, good read by you). You checked 6th and he checked behind for a free draw.

this is extremely funny here....this whole casino seq. of events made me literally LOL......"did ya pair your toe"

Hi Joe,

If you enjoyed the banter that Chuck delivers, you might like our mix-game podcast, Hey Ball!

http://www.deucescracked.com/podcasts

These videos are over a year old, I told Chuck he should check out your replies, they are great.

Welcome to DeucesCracked,
Joe

Thanks joe,
I will check it out. I have been a member of Cardrunners for like 3.5 year or so and have recently heard that DC is prob. hands down the best site for HU content. So thus far i am really enjoying it. I just got done watch 2 of your HU horse vids and enjoyed the action in those. I really like what i see here, though i feel it is a little tough looking through the video database as compared to CR. I also really like the massive amount of content that DC has vs all other sites i have been too in relation to mixed games and odd ball games.

I have some comments on some other spots in the razz vids you did and would be curious as to what you think.I am very critical on some spots here in there in the games i feel very aware in which is razz and 2-7TD lowball.

thanks for taking the time to respond, and gl at the tables.


joe

not possible because nothing interesting happened on 6th other than him checking back which as i stated prior meant he paired his 8 (which is what you had thought later, good read by you). You checked 6th and he checked behind for a free draw.

Yeah, this whole sequence confused the hell out of me too, because I'm pretty sure Chuck says explicitly that he's talking about 5th street when it went bet/raise/call.

My best guess is: Joe just made a mistake to bet his 9-draw on 5th, and the opponent correctly raised his presumptive 8-draw. After the hand, Chuck was correct to say 5th, but then as they looked at the cards they both started thinking the 5th street action had happened on 6th.

No worries, we all make mistakes, but this is probably what jkwizzle1 was thinking of (but wouldn't clarify). I know videos are time-consuming to make, but IMO a 30-minute video with careful editing can be more valuable than a 60-minute vid with a lot of confusion.

Still glad to have mixed-game content in the archive, two years after the fact.