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I've been playing 2-7 TD (.10/.20 and .25/.50) and enjoying it a great deal, but the last three days I have had the most extraordinary downswing. I was up by almost 150BBs at .10/.20 and .25/.50 but yesterday I had a plummet of a good 100BBs straight downwards in the course of 600 hands. Some of it (I'm sure) is bad play and mistakes on my part, but a huge amount of it is suckouts. I keep making second best hand after second best hand even when my opponents make the dumbest plays imaginable.

Example:

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.20 Limit 2-7 Triple Draw Lowball - 4 players - View hand 1770449
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Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with 9 8 7 5 3
CO calls, BTN raises, SB folds, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, BTN caps!, Hero calls, CO calls

First Draw: (12.5 SB) (3 players)
Hero draws 1, CO draws 3, BTN stands pat
Hand: 8 7 5 3 2
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets, Hero calls, CO calls

Second Draw: (7.75 BB) (3 players)
Hero stands pat, CO draws 2, BTN draws 2
Hand: 8 7 5 3 2
Hero bets, CO calls, BTN calls

Third Draw: (10.75 BB) (3 players)
Hero stands pat, CO draws 1, BTN draws 1
Hand: 8 7 5 3 2
Hero bets, CO calls, BTN raises, Hero calls, CO folds

Final Pot: 15.75 BB
BTN shows 7 6 5 3 2 (Lo: 7,6,5,3,2)
Hero mucks 8 7 5 3 2
BTN wins 15.25 BB
(Rake: $0.10)

I realise that I probably should be bet/folding the river, but after he caps and pats, then draws 2 when he sees I'm pat I figure he's got to be just foul and will therefore be bluffraising a ridiculous amount. Or is there something more fundamental wrong. Should I not be patting 87532? Should I just fold pre? I was pretty close to doing that actually - I can't really see the merit of calling and drawing 2 to 753 out of position vs two others.

pre is fine, i would c/r flop basically against a BTN pre-pat with a limper and then go from there.
as played u must call river against this villain imo cause ur line looks very weak but u could c/c river also and let him vbet worse its close imo

as for the swing i think all of us have experienced these td is a beast just make sure none of the hands are tilty and accept u can go down 100bb in 500 hands easily sometimes

Thanks. It's been ugly. I think my confidence has gone a bit.

Fold pre, as played ditch the 8

Fold pre, as played ditch the 8

ditch the 8? when?

ditch the 8? when?

Pretty sure he means straight away. I like calling pre and drawing two here. Just not sure which two.
With 753 you're hoping to catch a deuce immediately; with 853 there's more that you continue with after the flop but you obviously can't make as strong a hand.
Don't like bloating the pot OOP with a bad one-card draw.
As played I'd check-raise the flop. Your hand isn't that strong; getting the third player out would be good.
As played I'd check-call the river.

My experience at 10/20c and 25/50c tells me that you should be trying to make sevens and *good* eights (85's and 86's). Don't draw to an 87 pre unless you're in position, preferably HU. There are times when you'll want to draw to 87's later in the hand though, and if you make an 87 you'll often want to stick with it.

Yes this game is swingy. A couple of thousand hands is nothing. Because traffic is fairly low, you can play for months and still not know whether you're any good or not.

pot is limped and btn raises he could have total trash

Fold pre, as played ditch the 8

My thoughts also. After drawing 1 and caching a deuce we still have a pretty rough hand multiway, but a very good one card draw. Obviously after seeing what happened in the hand i would never break an 8 there.

But the river is a bet/fold still.

Pretty sure he means straight away.

Ya, like Huntse says he keeps making 2nd best hands, drawing to a rough 8 is gonna lead to those situations. It's like drawing to the low end of a straight, or drawing to a straight on a suited board, etc, where you're drawing to a hand that's gonna be second best a lot and have r.i.o. issues.

making 2nd best hands is just part of the variance. anything other than 3bet draw 1 in this situation is bad imo. c/r flop and then prob c/c river as played i b/c river too probably but its hard to imagin ever being good.

Thanks very much everyone for the kind words. Just gotta get my mindset sorted out. I observed myself a bit more when playing today and it's clear I was making quite a few sloppy plays (like missing the x/r above - why on earth? I must have forgotten that I had gone 2 to pat with him drawing 1). Playing more positively and being less sloppy I have started on the road back, making 28BBs in 100 hands of tight and aggressive play. Yeah baby, I just remembered that I actually love this game.

Seems like your mood depends on the results of single session very much. Actually it's the same for me and it is not a good thing, but I am still trying to find a way to get rid of that. You'd better try that as well

Don't dump the 8 off a 1cd unless you have a 7w2 to draw to. Getting 4 bets in pre and drawing multiway to a 753 is a pretty bad outcome.

c/r the flop. You might blow out the riff-raff and you probably have the best hand (but this is the cheapest time to find out otherwise now that you can break if necessary).

And I'd probably c/c the river unless these guys are real payoff stations. Your passive flop line should clue them in about how strong your hand is and they shouldn't make many mistakes against a bet.

Seems like your mood depends on the results of single session very much. Actually it's the same for me and it is not a good thing, but I am still trying to find a way to get rid of that. You'd better try that as well

Not one session, like 7 really brutal sessions in a row. But yeah.

Don't dump the 8 off a 1cd unless you have a 7w2 to draw to.

You include 762 here, right?

Getting 4 bets in pre and drawing multiway to a 753 is a pretty bad outcome.

Yes but here almost certainly only 2 bets are going in if you just call.

I still like calling and drawing two at these stakes, even if it is "bad".

Ya, like Huntse says he keeps making 2nd best hands, drawing to a rough 8 is gonna lead to those situations. It's like drawing to the low end of a straight, or drawing to a straight on a suited board, etc, where you're drawing to a hand that's gonna be second best a lot and have r.i.o. issues.

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