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Psychobingo

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I feel this spot comes up alot and it might be simple, but i feel like its worth discussing. We open from any position, and a player we respect and know not to 3bet with 2 card draws when oop against us, does in fact 3bet us from the blinds. Automatically most people (myself included) autocaps there when drawing 1, even though i know he should be drawing one always. Should we maybe stop capping with our entire range even though we`re in position or is position just too valueable in case of snowing etc? I also assume that villain is competent enough to not bet out into us without improvement since we`re both draw 1 and we have position.

Posted about 1 year ago

HJD

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SIide

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Without getting into a long discussion, my short answer would just be yes, position is that valuable. You might be a slight equity dog against his range, but your still going to have all your strong 1-cards in your range here too. Just put yourself in your opponents shoes, are you ever happy when villain caps it in position (with a solid opening range) and you know he has a 1-c draw?

Also, if its the same scenario above, but we're out of the position, I think its correct to never cap a 1-card draw pre.

Posted about 1 year ago

DeathDonkey

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What I do is if villain is in the blinds I cap from all positions except button (my button range is super weak and dominated by his). Notice that even though he is good and respects us, his range of 4 card hands is not super strong (its much much much stronger if we raise UTG and he 3 bets from CO) since when he is in the blinds he is getting a good price to play some ugly looking hands (3457, 3678 maybe, that sorta stuff), particularly from the BB. I think capping in all spots where we are in position is not that bad at all though.

Posted about 1 year ago

Plutoman

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I've struggled with this a bit too. General advice seems to be *never* 3-bet and draw 2, and *always* cap your 1-card draws. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If he never 3-bets 2cds you know you're never ahead (and sometimes he'll be pat) so why cap?
So I tend to flat in this spot, unless I know villain *does* 3-bet 2cds (or is spewy generally).
Also there's an element of deception in flatting. You might be drawing 1, 2 or (if you're on the button) 3. If you flat and he has an 87 draw he might decide to keep the 8 when he'd have been better off ditching it against your (say) 7652 draw.
Obviously if I'm multi-way I'll cap all 1cds to charge the draw-2 (or 3) player(s).

Your 1cd will on average be a (plucks figure from ...) 45/55 dog against his range. So you're all saying that position more than makes up for that? In which case position is even bigger in this game than I thought.

What I do is if villain is in the blinds I cap from all positions except button (my button range is super weak and dominated by his).


What do you do if he's UTG?

My guess is that as long as you don't just cap your good draws and flat your rough ones, it doesn't matter too much what you do.

Posted about 1 year ago

HJD

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if you dont cap your 1cds then you only cap your pat hands, i wonder if that could be a problem at all? OOP it isnt a problem because he will get to see what we draw anyway before he makes a decision.

Posted about 1 year ago

Plutoman

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Yes it could be a problem and I have thought about it. The rarity of pat hands and the fact that I do cap against certain players (and the fact that I play 1-2) means I can probably get away with it.
I guess you could randomize capping by only doing it when your discard is a spade or something.

Posted about 1 year ago

Psychobingo

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DD, why wouldnt you cap any 4-card hand on the button? I mean, i never cap 3-card hands in or out of position, and i only 3bet 3-card hands against maniacs to isolate, so whenever i cap villain should know im always drawing one. So why are we capping? For "free" cards? Value of position alone cant be that important against good playing opponents when both are drawing one?

Posted about 1 year ago

DeathDonkey

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Thought I pretty much clarified that already in my first post? When we are in position it means they 3 bet out of the blinds, their range of 4 card hands is actually kinda weak, ours is probably stronger though I think my button opening range might be weaker still (hence why I said I don't cap that spot). Position + stronger range indeed seems worthwhile to me.

Posted about 1 year ago




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