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Poker Video: Misc/Other by DeathDonkey (High Stakes)

Time Link to 00:57:09

Ok i didnt really see anything i wanted to comment on in the last few minutes, but if anyone has questions i may answer them

Time Link to 00:36:20

hjd why dont u bet improvement here 2:2 instead of check/calling?

hjd why dont u bet improvement here 2:2 instead of check/calling?

its a strategy im trying out of basically checking 2:2 ott almost 100%. it confuses people and doesnt really lose value other than occasionally giving someone a free draw.

but its not occasionally its like 40% giving a free card + fe u may have from him being ui
on the other hand he may be betting JQ there thinking he is ahead but idk i was just curious

and of that 40% how often do they decide to snow/bluff?

u have a point...

but now that i think of it you must bluff catch otr much more liberally if u follow this strategy

but now that i think of it you must bluff catch otr much more liberally if u follow this strategy

is that a bad thing?

no just my thought extending

Time Link to 00:51:36

Maybe bet the turn in posiiton with 2456K when prolig checks after drawing 1. He stood pat. Maybe he breaks if you bet.

Maybe bet the turn in posiiton with 2456K when prolig checks after drawing 1. He stood pat. Maybe he breaks if you bet.

maybe he breaks, but im not worried about him patting after he checks and if he is c/r'ing i have little equity usually. my draw is not great either due to the GS and the 654 so all in all im happy to just take a free draw here. with a non GS hand i may bet for sheer value against him though.

its a strategy im trying out of basically checking 2:2 ott almost 100%. it confuses people and doesnt really lose value other than occasionally giving someone a free draw.

^^ good stuff here imo, it really does confuse people

LT: Ok, DD missed a crucial part of this hand which, imo, changes the analysis completely. lg raised UTG (HJ) and after getting 2 callers IP drew 3! this to me signifies that he has at least 22w and likely another paired wheel card, and possibly just 222wx. so now he leads and goes 3-pat having had alot of dead cards (presumably). so he can be snowing, pat some crappy 9 or just have caught really well. note how profic also didnt raise 3:2*:2 with his 1cd as he has jammed some wheel draws already in MW pots for whatever reasons he has.
now it goes 0:1:2 and bet/raise as i catch #14 and showing that only one more 8 is available, and only one possible 2 for profic to have. profic also likely raises all 8's he can make and many 9's because "lg went 3-pat, he cant have anything lol". in light of this i think its an easy freeze and do so. now lg 3bets which i think he would obviously do with a 7 and maybe #5/6 in this spot but i also felt like he'd 3bet some unbreakable 9's hoping profic would break or fold something and that i would still be drawing. profic then calls ruling out all 7's (which he's unlikely to have anyway due my my 2 theory) and gives him #9, 13, 16, 18 and his unbreakable 9's. ("im not folding, he went 3-pat ffs).
It gets back to me and now i think im a favourite vs profics range at best and a slight dog at worst and lg is extrememly polarized. the pot is fkin huge also, so just call/pat and decide otr. i dont expect lg or profic to bet worse after 0:0:0 or even 0:1:0 so i can probably just fold the river for one bet, or just payoff getting a bazillion:1 and not be too unhappy.

Its possible i just got super lucky that everything worked out like this and its also possible my assessment is somewhat results orientated (its hard not to be) but i think the fact that profic was in this pot lead to it being played the way it was by both me and lg. if profic wasnt at the table, lg probably would have folded pre and the hand would never happen

I think in general your reads are very good and that showed here, moreso than I could anaylze (plus I missed something like you said). I tried to take your hands and speak generally about a good way to play them as a default strategy, sometimes I disagreed with you and maybe I was right every now and then but I'm thinking more likely your reads just made you make some non standard plays and your track record was quite good so who am I to really question. Fun stuff overall!

Hello DD,
Great video, very informative. In your Triple The Gold series you talked about one of the main differences between playing well in High Stakes vs. Mid Stakes games is making thin value bets to your nines, tens & possible jacks. Is that the reason in this video you were recommending breaking so many 87xxx & 9's because the players were playing so smug & straight forward. That was the reads you got from the players ? Plus sometimes it was multiway for the hero, where as if you were heads up playing $100-$200 in position you made 2,3,5,8,10 , on the third draw if went 1-1 & bet it for value ? Or even if you were out of postion lead out betting the ten. Assuming you had no reads on your opponents.

You are mixing two things together that don't really go together. In multiway pots or on the early streets you should break up 87 type draws and 9 draws usually because the reverse implied odds are really high, and your superior smooth draw has good equity still.

In any game I would bet the 2358T heads up in 1:1 on the river, that is not a "high stakes" idea really. The only difference in higher stakes games is people are more creative with their snows, they make better laydowns and more thin and correct semi bluffs as well as value bets/raises. Another way of saying it is they are just tougher to play against and know how to balance.

Time Link to 00:05:09

why exactly do you pay off a riverbet with 33 as default? then he has no reason to bluff you?

you talked about it in a different video and said you would usually fold Ax to a river bet. or was that being oop and having checked?

why exactly do you pay off a riverbet with 33 as default? then he has no reason to bluff you?

you talked about it in a different video and said you would usually fold Ax to a river bet. or was that being oop and having checked?

Well in that exact spot we would have been getting 5.5:1, so I hope in the spot where I discussed folding the Ax the price was worse, if not then I made a mistake and either should have called with the Ax, or I had a strong player read that made me make an exploitable play.

In 1:1 river spots you have to decide how much you know about the villain, if you have really good reads (some guys literally never bluff, others bluff every pair) you can play very exploitatively. But without good information, or against a strong player, you have to revert to GTO play (non-exploitable play) and getting 5.5:1 I think calling with 33 and better is probably just about right. Somewhat smart and non lazy can enumerate all possible river catches and prove whether I am right or off by one pretty easily. For a more general discussion DC coach Bellatrix has a great series on DeucesCracked dissecting the book 'Mathematics of Poker' and it discusses this topic a ton.

Time Link to 00:05:21

I hesitate a lot before I get involved in a multiway 3betted pot with 652. Do you only do that vs overly aggro and lose opponents?

Time Link to 00:11:04

if he is spewy / pats quickly why do we want to get involved with a relatively weak hand?

this spot will be 3 handed even if we 3b a decent amount

I hesitate a lot before I get involved in a multiway 3betted pot with 652. Do you only do that vs overly aggro and lose opponents?

I'm sure I could find a lineup where I'd fold it, but more often than not I'm playing, its a good hand, you have the key card, people play worse than you think and might be in there pretty weak, I need a good reason not to play

if he is spewy / pats quickly why do we want to get involved with a relatively weak hand?

this spot will be 3 handed even if we 3b a decent amount

With us last to act. I want to get involved because 1) its +EV in my estimation, not wildly +EV but a little bit, and that's all that matters, this isn't like a "wait for later situation", you can play now AND later. 2) This guy is really bad, he is going to go broke if he stays in the game, you need to think about it like a race to get that guy's money before someone else does. Sure folding here and waiting for a wheel draw is easy, but you aren't maximizing your EV from marginal situations.

Time Link to 00:07:18

How do you feel about keeping 249 as we have 3 9's so the relative strength of the 9 is increased? I guess one counter argument to this is that we would likely be 3-betting all good 2 card draws, so when we call and draw 2 our opponent can pretty precisely put us on a weak draw.

I do think you make a good point about the relative value of the 9 increasing, but on the other hand we have extra information that might help us later so that's already worth something, and if the choice is draw to a wheel early or draw to a hand that can win as long as villain doesn't make any 8, the latter doesn't seem so hot (its like think about if somehow you knew all the 9s were removed from the deck, and you were dealt 2678 multiway, its probably still a break of the rough draw to draw to the premium)

btw I could easily be wrong about this, its kinda not something I've thought a ton about since having a bunch of 9 blockers rarely occurs or rarely affects your decisions

in the end when playing HU vs Jeroen for some hands, we open 86. I usally fold 86 85 84 74 74 75 76 in HU esp vs loose showdownbound oponents, but even vs regs its my standart, id need a good reason to open it, i.e. if i think villian is really "snowable"

you fold too much.