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pasita

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So I've been reading this book, Winning Omaha/8 Poker by Tenner and Krieger. The book is 10 years old and 99% deals with casino full ring play, they do mention about the new thing called Internet poker which you apparently can play for real money too.

I'm a bit confused on several items. Has the game really changed that much, are the authors doing something wrong or am I totally misunderstanding the game?
Quotes not to the word, shortening things a bit

When three low card flop

"A bare nut straight (no low, no redraw) should be thrown away, but you can draw for nut flush or with top set" (p 89) "If you're against 4 or more opponents, save your money and release the hand" (p98).
Yeah the straight can be outdrawn, but we'd rather draw to a lock hand than keep the nuts? We're getting 5+way action with the nuts (for half the pot), it's a fold?

"Suppose a tight player has raised preflop, bets the flop 765r and is raised. You have AKT2, no backdoors -> best play is to consider fold"
I'm counting this is a close to +-EV countdown against another A2 (depending on the amount of preflop callers to the raise) and sometimes you get counterfeited for the low. But won't the tight player have AA3x a reasonable amount too (or is he not contbetting that?)? Is it impossible that it's a 3 way split to low but hero actually has the best high or at least a draw to it? I guess this really comes down to what "tight" means... if you're always getting quartered the pot has to be big preflop to be able to continue. But is someone really folding the nut low here? I mean PLO8 it's bye-bye A2 here, but FLO8?


Two low cards flop

If a 3rd low appears on turn and you hold the nut straight, "if a player who has previously checked to you now bets, call and don't raise" (p 100)
OK first I'm thinking ' is this a let's keep the lows in situation?' ... but the reason they give is "if someone has the nut flush draw or a set your raise won't eliminate him. You'd just be putting more money into a pot you stand a good chance losing".
Aren't we actually rooting for them to call raises on turn unless it's a huge pot? And if it's a huge pot, that shouldn't be a reason to let them (or weaker draws!) draw cheap?

Blinds play

"In almost every situation involving 3 or more players, you should complete from the small blind" (p 114)
This is fine? One of the first things I thought I learned from FLO8 is that there's no reason to enter a multiway pot with a crappy hand.

On seat selection

"In Omaha, as in Holdem, you want tight, predictable players on your right because you can easily deduce their hands." (p178)
Huh? They say that you get to see more flops cheaply on the blinds. I don't think this applies in Holdem and don't understand why seeing flops OOP with a random hand in a 4 card game is good.
"In Omaha, unlike in Holdem, you want loose, aggressive players on your left"
"You get to see what they do and then call or reraise... you get good CR opportunities."
Just a huh? I don't get this.


Any thoughts on these?

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HJD

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BigBadBabar

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poker theory has advanced a lot in ten years. so have the skills and thought processes required to be a winning player. most old LHE books are lol too

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pasita

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Thanks, I thought all of that sounded weird but since I'm relatively new to the game I thought I should check it out.

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BigBadBabar

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i'm sure you'd be better off with more current material. i know DC has lots of o8 content cuz i just finished watching it all.

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