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Poker Video: Misc/Other by DeathDonkey (High Stakes)

Time Link to 00:24:40

About the hand on the right, J764 after the first draw: Do you advise to keep the J (planning to make a play) even when facing a bet?

Time Link to 00:47:37

Left table.

After having seen villain raise-call preflop earlier in the video with a weak 1-card-draw, I suspect him raise-capping here means a stronger hand. Even with his tendency to pat early, freezing after the 2nd draw looks better than raising.

before i say anything about any of the hands etc, my seat/game selection in general is start games and play whatever runs when i can play

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Hey DD,

Nice series of vids, I'm really looking forward to them.

In the last vid, and now in this one too you talk about river bluffing frequencies using your own holecards (like bluffing with top and 2nd pair), while I tend to use a more absolute bluffing frequency (like bluffing a pair of 8s through 5s or something). I know there's just a little difference between this two, but is one better than the other? Or is this just some preference-based decision? I feel GTO-wise the more absolute reading might be better, because by using your method and bluff with the top pair and 2nd pair, let's say I draw to 5432 than I bluff with a pair of 4s, while when I draw to 8762 I don't bluff with a pair of 6s which might skew my ranges a little bit. What do you think?

Thanks in advance,
18orbetter

Time link thing is showing up for me, sorry!

3.00 - LT: I did consider patting the J, but just decided not to this time.

8.00 - LT: i considered basically everything you said. my conclusions were that i had one of the worst hands i could have (may not play 7653 here, and likely would break any/most 98's otf), and that despite the pot being big, i didnt expect lg to bluff very often, if ever.
- RT: i think this is a clear vbet, especially with how little respect he gives me, so id be betting most 9's there.

10.18 - LT: i dont think id b/f there as a default as alot of people will raise #7/8+ and if we do b/f, i think we'd be folding almost 50% of the time. obv this is fine as an exploitative play, but if people can bluff raise ever, folding #8 would be a mistake.

12.05 - RT: ya 83 is pretty meh, but i do have a blocker, and can never make a straight, so for that reason i tend to defend this vs steals. against the better regulars id easily accept that this is bad though.
- LT: note profics play here, 2:2, 2:1, 1:1 and its checked down.

16.58: this wasnt the player, it was profic, mancia is more experienced, just passive/bad. if i had more confidence that my hand was good vs mancia, i would probably bet, but i wasnt sure i had the best hand, even if i was surprised at how strong he was.

17.51: definitely thought about limping too and probably would have in a 1/2 structure. the slightly worse price and with mancia (in my mind anyway) not having a particlarly weak range, i mucked.

23.45 - LT: ya my standard here is to call from 3bet, but i expected him to 3bet alot of crap, which may or may not be true.

25.04 - RT: I think i like your plan, and its something i dont do often enough. when he leads, im not sure i want to take that line though as he will rarely c/f turn, and will actually bet alot leaving us in a crappy spot where we either fold, or raise if we dont catch a good draw, which is only a 2, but we dont want to fold 8764/7643 everytime either as they will be live alot. I also think that c/c 87543 as a standard is bad, but ok now and then.

28.10 - LT: this hand needs some love

33.10 - RT: i agree its a pretty good spot to snow, but i tend to gutshots/9's and/or when i make a pair. this may result in me not snowing enough though, so il look out for that.

36.30 - RT: yep, was concentrating on the big bluff, and didnt realise who i was betting a J against. its not terrible to bet vs him anyway, because i think he'll call 22+ against me and usually bet an 8, but checking is prob better with that hand.

37.12 - LT: i dont think its that close here tbh. I think i can catch a T and win occasionally when he checks and im basically never dead.

41.28 - LT: i think i missed that he posted ingame. i really thought about calling and wanted to, but because i thought UTG limped, i was reluctant and folded.

43.20 - LT: i would normally snapfold this in this position too, but i wanted to play with the 2 bad players, and boro has been pretty tight, and lg is always pretty tight. i dont have anything more profound to say other than that

44.09 - LT: i agree that i could probably 3bet and draw 1, but i think ive preconditioned myself to drawing 2 in MW pots so much that its an auto-reflex now.

47.18 LT: normally again id fold without too much thought, but this guy has made so many big drawing and patting mistakes (many of which DD missed) that i just wanted to play anything kinda playable against him. as played, i so think the turn is pretty close, and against competent V's id freeze everytime with this hand, but he has patted every 9 and some T's already and shown to calldown that i decided to raise.
Rubbishaka, i feel like his cap just means that he's not drawing to a 9 moreso than he has a premium draw
obviously i hate life when he 3bets, but he may just be trying to get allin in which case im not breaking/folding.
RT: i think c/c is too passive here again, and if i want to strengthen my checking range, id prefer to c/r #4/5 or something.

48.28 - RT: i think i should limp, idk why i didnt.

49.16 - LT: i actually c/r that spot alot, i didnt here because im not sure lg would both bet and call a raise with that hand, he may even check back some 86's there!

49.31 - LT: i agree completely. i just wanted to play pots with the bad players. this hand plays really badly MW though, so just folding is best. seeing the hands that get showndown makes me think that i was actually in pretty good shape in 2*:3:3:3 though!

52.09 - RT: i think i could only think about the 87543 hand, and thought that he's be ridiculously strong there to the point that he may only have a few worse 9's and all 87's or something and so checked. i would value bet there close to 100% of the time usually

52.54 - LT: OK, so here is my thoughts. we have seen profic play really rough draws and pat bad hands etc, but lg123456789 has 3bet my UTG (HJ) open, so he is always drawing 1 or pat, esp with the bb still to act. i thought a 2cd 7 would play better vs his range, and because thats the strong range that i have to worry about, i want to play best against that. i also have the predisposition to breaking 87 draws that i mentioned earlier.

53.30 - LT: again if profic didnt have such a wide raising range, i think i would fold here. i also wouldnt have been shocked if he raised and drew 1, in which case i really dont want to fold.

Thanks for the analysis, i look forward to next week!

Hey DD,

Nice series of vids, I'm really looking forward to them.

In the last vid, and now in this one too you talk about river bluffing frequencies using your own holecards (like bluffing with top and 2nd pair), while I tend to use a more absolute bluffing frequency (like bluffing a pair of 8s through 5s or something). I know there's just a little difference between this two, but is one better than the other? Or is this just some preference-based decision? I feel GTO-wise the more absolute reading might be better, because by using your method and bluff with the top pair and 2nd pair, let's say I draw to 5432 than I bluff with a pair of 4s, while when I draw to 8762 I don't bluff with a pair of 6s which might skew my ranges a little bit. What do you think?

Thanks in advance,
18orbetter

in regards to this, if you are bluffing top pair your frequency will be very steady, and only dead cards will alter it. if you are bluffing everytime you make a pair of 5's or worse, at times you will be bluffing an awful lot. for example, when you have 8752, you can catch 3 pairs that you bluff with, which is far too many imo, and conversely (sp?) when you have 7432 you can only make 1 pair that you will bluff with, but there are more combo's of rougher draws (i think) that mean you'll end up bluffing a whole lot more than necessary or what is good.

this with hjd's comments will take a day off to study

in regards to this, if you are bluffing top pair your frequency will be very steady, and only dead cards will alter it. if you are bluffing everytime you make a pair of 5's or worse, at times you will be bluffing an awful lot. for example, when you have 8752, you can catch 3 pairs that you bluff with, which is far too many imo, and conversely (sp?) when you have 7432 you can only make 1 pair that you will bluff with, but there are more combo's of rougher draws (i think) that mean you'll end up bluffing a whole lot more than necessary or what is good.

Thanks for the answer.

I thought about these reasons too, but I feel that since balance is about our range, not the exact hand we hold, but our range, I think there's no reason why we shouldn't bluff more with a busted 8752 than a busted 7432. Of course, our overall range defines the bluffing frequencies, like when I want to bluff when I raised from UTG I'll bet lower pairs than when I raise from the button (since I'll have more 8s, 9s maybe and more straights for sure). I mean game theoratically you want to bluff the worst hands in your range, and not the worst cards you could catch this hand. It kind of feels like if in LHE we put in the 3rd barrel with our busted draws and not with a 7 hi that was just pure bluffing.

However, I can see that the argument is not really useful, since no one will catch on that or adjust accordingly, so it sounds pointless in practice, it's just the theory that I'm interested in.

Once again, thanks for the answer.

frequencies can be many things. you could bluff only when the second in your clock is 10 as harrington did for example doesn't matter what you do as long as you dont do it too often thats why the difference in 7high or busted draw or high pair vs 5+ pair. you just bluff 1/13 times write it down if you want and manually count

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if you think wrathchild shouldn't cap the flop with 34578, why would you checkraise 23568 if you were villain here?

If wrathchild should only cap something like 23478+ here checkraising 23568 would be quite suicidal, wouldn't it?

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Think the most important think to note is that villain check called the 2:2 flop to draw 1 on the turn making his range (especially his) really weak. Therefore when he 3bets the turn he's usually full of shit.

Also I don't think balance really matters versus villain like this one.

About the hand on the right, J764 after the first draw: Do you advise to keep the J (planning to make a play) even when facing a bet?

Definitely not, I would peel / draw 2

Hey DD,

Nice series of vids, I'm really looking forward to them.

In the last vid, and now in this one too you talk about river bluffing frequencies using your own holecards (like bluffing with top and 2nd pair), while I tend to use a more absolute bluffing frequency (like bluffing a pair of 8s through 5s or something). I know there's just a little difference between this two, but is one better than the other? Or is this just some preference-based decision? I feel GTO-wise the more absolute reading might be better, because by using your method and bluff with the top pair and 2nd pair, let's say I draw to 5432 than I bluff with a pair of 4s, while when I draw to 8762 I don't bluff with a pair of 6s which might skew my ranges a little bit. What do you think?

Thanks in advance,
18orbetter

Agree with HJD's reply to you

if you think wrathchild shouldn't cap the flop with 34578, why would you checkraise 23568 if you were villain here?

If wrathchild should only cap something like 23478+ here checkraising 23568 would be quite suicidal, wouldn't it?

Nice catch, yeah seems like just a call down for villain is best