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Poker Video: Misc/Other by DeathDonkey (High Stakes)

Whoops, i saw me and thouth it was my video

For anybody who doesnt know, Im Wrathchild. it was a pretty good video. Hero did make a few basic mistakes, but overall played ok. game selected pretty well for $15/30

im sure we all know you are wrathchild and you have missed a couple of potential "customers" since you did that video lol
same with slide im only playing when there are at least 2 fish in the same table

i have a couple of questions.

1) you advise defending the bb with 458 with many people getting good odds and previously you advise not to defend 457 against a HJ open. i was wondering, many people=zero deuces and we usually need a deuce with these hands or 2 other good cards so why the distinction? am i wrong to think that when many people cold call a raise none of the deuces are out there and that makes defending worse?
can you please explain what is your BB defend range of 2cd without a deuce from a utg-hj open?

2)in the hand that wrathchild makes a T9 and checks it 1:2:1 why do you think betting it out is a bad idea?
we can fold to a raise or we can make another guy with 98 or a better T draw and we now are a money favorite,instead of check/folding without knowing btn is pat. he should bet for charging there anyways unimproved.

thanks!

2)in the hand that wrathchild makes a T9 and checks it 1:2:1 why do you think betting it out is a bad idea?
we can fold to a raise or we can make another guy with 98 or a better T draw and we now are a money favorite,instead of check/folding without knowing btn is pat. he should bet for charging there anyways unimproved.

Wrath was the one drawing 2, right?

Even if both other players are still drawing, a T9 is a dog here and we would prefer to not get any money in. Betting won't make anybody fold (for the most part), so there is really no upside. And as you mentioned, you can get raised and have to fold anyway.

but as dd said we have to fold to a bet from the last player (btn) who is supposed to bet ui. so we forfeit our equity in the pot which is >33% if they are still drawing without any obvious reason,so why not bet and make a better 9 or T break? it only costs a little.
i'd also like villains (HJD) opinion on this one

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^ talking about that hand on the left, fwiw

33% is probably a bit high, in a worst case scenario it's only 28% (http://twodimes.net/h/?z=9752246).

BTN will have improved on the turn to a significantly better hand (97 or better) up to 33% (again worst case scenario http://twodimes.net/h/?z=9752242). So T9's chance to win by the river before BTN acts on the turn is

(1 - 0.33) * 0.28 = 0.1876

So T9's equity can in fact be <20% before he knows what BTN does.
The pot is only 4.5BB, he would risk 1BB to win 7.5BB on the river. He would need 1/7.5=13% equity if everybody plays very straight forward. It seems to look like a good bet.

But, the BB has played it very passively on the flop and might check-call and be pat himself already. He might be going for a check-raise (yes, pretty unlikely, but not impossible). BTN might raise with a draw, or freeze a T. Either of them might bluff the river.

In conclusion, A LOT has to go right.

Great post rubbishaka, I kinda knew that but you know the math better than me.

snowboard there is like no chance I can spell out my BB defense simply because I am probably not 100% consistent and a ton depends on who the other guys are in the pot, obviously getting better pot odds you take the gamble that some outs are live, but its super marginal either way and there is no way defending 458 in that spot vs folding it is going to affect your winrate / results more than the tiniest little bit. Stuff like that probably mostly just helps my image as a LAG

without checking any math, Rubbi has most of it. another reason is to do with ranges, see if you can figure it out? (anybody can try, but if you KNOW, the let the people that aren't sure have a go)

with rubbis calculations if there were a bet on the turn and the pot was 7.5BB then our equity is way too big to fold this even in worst case scenario but we play that way because the pot is small? cause then we would need an equity of 9%
which we always have. didn't think about the pot size to be honest i kinda wondered in general about this.

also when talking about ranges, our equity in the hand can fluctuate from 28% worst case up to 42% with still good draws to both players. in rubbis example the both have the nut draw without any overlapping cards so 100% of their outs are live which is very unprobable. with a 2346 and 3458 draw our equity is 42% and thats why i think we have something like 32%+ guesstimate over their whole range.

given the calculation that btn improves to a 1cd our equity is 20%+.
so in a small pot maybe folding is ok but in a bigger pot we sure loose more than 10% of the pot in EV everytime we c/fold to a btn bet.

now things change if btn rarely bets ui then we could check and take the better decision of folding

sounds right?

what im talking about isnt mathematical, but i think if we're not c/f'ing turn, call and draw 2 is likely best.

Hi Deathdonkey!

In minute 11:40 you advise to break a 97642 vs a solid utg openraiser on the turn in a 1vs1 spot.

But arent we too often ahead of his Tx and worse 9x hands that makes breaking bad?

min 29:50 you say that you would open 72 from the CO. Only if the players are tight? or do you do that in general? do you treat 72 the same as 2W?

if the btn is tight and/or the blinds are bad il open all 2w. otherwise il just open 22w probably.