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Poker Video: Misc/Other by DeathDonkey (Mid Stakes)

Time Link to 00:31:07

You folded 8438K here from the HJ?

Very good video.

Could you say something about blind defense? You seemed to defend the big blind rather loosely with 743 and 62, respectively. But you thought quite a while before defending the small with 853.

What do you use to display mucked hands?

Ive been waiting for a new 2-7TD vid for a while. Im so excited.

Time Link to 00:30:36

It's so funny everytime you say Elbmag, for someone so adept at critical thinking, im surprised you dont see it as Joe Gamble backwards

I totally asked for this. Awesome.

It's so funny everytime you say Elbmag, for someone so adept at critical thinking, im surprised you dont see it as Joe Gamble backwards

Dammit I normally catch backwards names very quickly.

/embarrassed

Insta-download
I am looking forward to watching this one.

What tracking software would you recommend for 2-7?

What tracking software would you recommend for 2-7?

PokerHands tracking software is really all there is. The source code has now been opened up so you can modify and improve the software which is also a plus.
Here is the link:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/45/software/pokerhands-beta-10-2009-05-10-holdem-badugi-5cd-tripledraw-342877/

Just got through watching the video, if I could give it three thumbs up I would. I find your discussion on value betting ranges to be very helpful. Especially the statement:

“People bluff more then they value bet”

This is another area of my 2-7 game that I struggle with, the thin value bet. I know it is very opponent specific and dependent on how the hand plays out. It is quite obvious why you earn the big bucks, the way you quickly adjust to your opponents play and exploit any weakness you see in their game.

Loved the video you run very well and even though quite a few hands just play themselves there is still a lot of info in the video for the 2-7 players at any level. Look forward to more excellent 2-7 content on DC. I am off to add a few more bucks to the bankroll, grind up those micro stakes.

You folded 8438K here from the HJ?

Very good video.

Could you say something about blind defense? You seemed to defend the big blind rather loosely with 743 and 62, respectively. But you thought quite a while before defending the small with 853.

What do you use to display mucked hands?

Well to start with the obvious, the pot odds are much better in the big blind, and nobody can reraise me. I also think 62 (in a heads up pot like it was) is probably slightly better than 358, due to the implied odds of making a monster, which is impossible starting with the 8. It's close for sure. In general people probably under defend but over defend the wrong type of hands. People might defend like 456 (a terrible terrible hand) or even like 4578 and take one, but fold stuff like 2w (w = any wheel card).

For the mucked cards I was using Smack - a tool written by DC forum member jajvirta.

Time Link to 00:01:32

This spot with the 9 in a "1":1:1 on the turn is very similar to a situation I posted about in detail with on 2+2 at http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21/draw-other-poker/td-2-7-line-check-614925/, which dealt with having a T in a "1":1 spot on the turn, in that your hand is not good enough to bet but once it checks around you have enough info to go ahead and pat despite turning your hand face up (and are still better off if you even check call the river dark than breaking). Even though you instinctively hate this play, you shouldn't really because it is by far the superior play.

Although this is just a specific situation, but running equities you have about 52.7% by patting and you go as low as 30.5% when breaking, which is pretty massive and makes up for the extra reverse implied odds.

If you instead had a T8542 in the spot, you have about 38% 3-way and in that situation I think I break every time, as the difference there doesn't really make up for the RIO. The T 3-way here is a lot like having a J in a heads up spot where you're only a slight favourite to pat so it becomes better to draw.

Time Link to 00:53:54

This is actually an incredibly sick spot. The video only gives a slight idea about this player's huge weak-tightness though, so I don't blame you for calling, but if you had played him for longer or seen more of his showdowns you will realise that he almost always has #9 beat here (never bluffs and terrible at value betting 87s).

On a good day I can find a fold, but some days I will just pay off and let him exploit me whenever I make an 8 and he makes better drawing two on the river.

This is actually an incredibly sick spot. The video only gives a slight idea about this player's huge weak-tightness though, so I don't blame you for calling, but if you had played him for longer or seen more of his showdowns you will realise that he almost always has #9 beat here (never bluffs and terrible at value betting 87s).

On a good day I can find a fold, but some days I will just pay off and let him exploit me whenever I make an 8 and he makes better drawing two on the river.

Agree with what you said Schweig, however I wouldn't consider a player tight if he drew 2 on the final draw against two opponents. Against an unknown opponent I don't think you can ever really fold in that spot can you? It's is a crying call. But I play at the micro stakes, it is a bit of a surprise seeing that play at $5-$10.

Agree with what you said Schweig, however I wouldn't consider a player tight if he drew 2 on the final draw against two opponents. Against an unknown opponent I don't think you can ever really fold in that spot can you? It's is a crying call. But I play at the micro stakes, it is a bit of a surprise seeing that play at $5-$10.

Oh for sure, weak tight was the wrong term and I really meant super passive and bad at thin value betting. And yes, I would not fold against an unknown either and would consider it an automatic crying call as well, especially at lower stakes. It's way too likely an opponent is doing something weird/crazy that you can't comprehend and you really shouldn't overthink those situations and pay off liberally.

However, I will say that there are many opponents at low stakes that I do feel very uneasy whenever I'm raised on the river because they seem to only be able to raise good 8s and 7s, even if they did draw 2.

The 2 draw on the final draw is quite rare at 5/10, but there are still a fair amount of bad players who do it, especially when tilting after not making a hand for a while, but even then they still don't actually raise the river unless they make something decent (and there haven't been any who are crazy enough to bluff in such a spot as they realise they'll get no respect and bluff-raising is expensive). A lot of them are just shooting for the rare chance of making something good in order to win a couple bets on the river.

It might be an overall losing call against a lot of players, but a very very small mistake at worst and good for keeping them honest/metagame. I mean, it's not often that they hit on a 2 draw that you are leaking a lot and if you're in a game where people are consistently drawing 2 to the river then you can't complain.