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I do not have any reads on the players, but I just would like some feedback as to how to play all streets that need improvement. I am just starting and think I severly misplayed this hand any help would be good.


Seat 1: ChadPatrick ($49.45)
Seat 3: Hero ($36)
Seat 4: chavacano ($20.20)
Seat 5: richardok ($20)
Seat 6: Chongolisous ($110.05)
Seat 8: WENergy ($133.60)
richardok antes $0.40
ChadPatrick antes $0.40
Chongolisous antes $0.40
Hero antes $0.40
WENergy antes $0.40
chavacano antes $0.40
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to ChadPatrick [Ts]
Dealt to Hero [Ac 3h] [Ah]
Dealt to chavacano [Jc]
Dealt to richardok [5h]
Dealt to Chongolisous [Jh]
Dealt to WENergy [4c]
WENergy is low with [4c]
WENergy completes it to $2
ChadPatrick has 15 seconds left to act
ChadPatrick raises to $4
Hero raises to $6
chavacano folds
richardok folds
Chongolisous folds
WENergy calls $4
ChadPatrick calls $2
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to ChadPatrick [Ts] [9h]
Dealt to Hero [Ac 3h Ah] [7s]
Dealt to WENergy [4c] [3d]
Hero bets $2
WENergy calls $2
ChadPatrick calls $2
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to ChadPatrick [Ts 9h] [9c]
Dealt to Hero [Ac 3h Ah 7s] [8d]
Dealt to WENergy [4c 3d] [Qs]
ChadPatrick bets $4
Hero raises to $8
WENergy calls $8
ChadPatrick raises to $12
Hero raises to $16
WENergy calls $8
ChadPatrick calls $4
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to ChadPatrick [Ts 9h 9c] [Td]
Dealt to Hero [Ac 3h Ah 7s 8d] [8s]
Dealt to WENergy [4c 3d Qs] [8h]
ChadPatrick bets $4
Hero raises to $8
WENergy raises to $12
ChadPatrick raises to $16
Hero calls $3.60, and is all in
WENergy calls $4
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to Hero [Ac 3h Ah 7s 8d 8s] [Qd]
ChadPatrick bets $4
WENergy calls $4
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $126 Main pot $109.20. Side pot $16.80. | Rake $3
Seat 1: ChadPatrick showed [Th 7c Ts 9h 9c Td 3s] and won ($61.50) with HI: a full house, Tens full of Nines
Seat 3: Hero mucked [Ac Qd Ah 7s 8d 8s 3h] - HI: two pair, Aces and Eights
Seat 4: chavacano folded on 3rd St.
Seat 5: richardok folded on 3rd St.
Seat 6: Chongolisous folded on 3rd St.
Seat 8: WENergy showed [As 7d 4c 3d Qs 8h 2h] and won ($61.50) with HI: Ace Queen high; LO: 7,4,3,2,A

Hi, your 5th street play is close. Obviously your opponent is representing a big two pair, and WENergy has a low draw, which is better than yours. You should probably just call here and hope to make a low or improve to aces up. 6th street is just very bad, as you are beat in both directions and need to consider folding (you are drawing to a boat for half the pot).

-DeathDonkey

Hi, your 5th street play is close. Obviously your opponent is representing a big two pair, and WENergy has a low draw, which is better than yours. You should probably just call here and hope to make a low or improve to aces up. 6th street is just very bad, as you are beat in both directions and need to consider folding (you are drawing to a boat for half the pot).

-DeathDonkey

DD is spot on. 5th is a call, you are drawing to half no one is folding a 4-low behind you, ever.

btw is there some sort of converted to clean it up alittle the deuces cracked one does not do studhl or did not work with this hand

http://www.andyblackwood.com/converter.html

Hope that's helpful

Fold 5th street. Your getting 7.5:1 immediate odds and your a dog to a split pot. Often you will pay 3 bets on average to win 5 bets on average, give up now while the pot is small. Your EV at this point is between 20% and 30% depending on your opponents range (assuming Chad didn't fill up), that means if the pot is expected to be around 10 bets on the river and your investment is three bets your getting just enough to barely call 5th and reevaluate. Problem is your gonna get jammed the moment the other opponent goes low so its best to dump the hand now, S8b is not as reliant on implied odds on 5th street in a three way pot when your the dog at best.

PS - if ChadPatrick was a great player he would usually have filled up by 5th.

TT, I think we can call on 5th because the guy behind will not jam here. We have fine implied odds vs a guy with tens up who will never fold the high when we improve and the guy behind us has a face up hand.

-DeathDonkey

TT, I think we can call on 5th because the guy behind will not jam here. We have fine implied odds vs a guy with tens up who will never fold the high when we improve and the guy behind us has a face up hand.

-DeathDonkey

DD - If this was 6th street then I'd agree. But as played its better to get out while the pot is relatively small compared to the hero's equity (not that I always do, how I play and how I know I should play in this situation is sadly a dichotomy at times - I admit I find it hard to fold in the heat of battle). Your right the player behind will not jam on this street which makes peeling one street more appetizing but the problem with peeling one street is that then your always priced in to call 6th too provided that Chad' doest catch a 9 or a T - so its never just one street. of course there is the reverse implied odds situation if Chad was rolled up, that would suck.

In my original post I deleted a line about implied odds often being over valued in S8b because a player's equity is so hard to determine, once you plug in some ranges into two dimes I think my line becomes more obvious.

DD is spot on. 5th is a call, you are drawing to half no one is folding a 4-low behind you, ever.

How are we drawing to half??

We have aces and a 4-low and are up against a player with likely Ts and 9s or some other two pair (or worse!) and a player with a possible 4-low (or worse!). This hand has scoop possibility written all over it. I disagree that the 4-low will never fold for two cold when he has to fear it could get jammed if the TT99 reads us for just a made low and wants to punish the guy who is drawing. If you have a read that he will never fold (and maybe at 2/4 that could be true), then it's closer, but I think the 5th street raise is almost a no brainer...and TT, wtf, how can you say to fold?? Um, no. Once WEN calls and Chad 3-bets, I would probably just call because I would start to fear that he has a stronger hand, like a 3-flush that became trips 9s, for example, and it is clear that WEN is not folding at this point.

On 6th I would be crying since Chad appears to have made a near lock for high. But the pot is too big to fold, as I'm not 100% convinced I'm dead either way, so I would call and hope the guy behind me doesn't raise. If he raises and Chad 3-bets, I would fold. Raising the bet, even though you are short and close to all-in, is definitely spewing.

Blump is totally right here and I think I fucked up the original hand history. Stud hands are hard to read when they ARE converted, never mind when they aren't. I retract my silly statement that we are drawing to half. I had to read the HH wrong. All apologies.