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Poker Video: Misc/Other by Soepgroente (Mid Stakes)

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Time Link to 00:12:22

i noticed you were planning to break a T8xxx hand predraw on the left table.

What sort of range is a typical predraw pat going to look like?

I understand that it will vary from opponent to opponent, but are there people that patting a T with is going to be good? what about a rough 9 (98654) vs a smooth 9 (97532)

on the same thought as the last post:

do you keep a 4card T if its smooth or rough or either

i noticed you were planning to break a T8xxx hand predraw on the left table.

What sort of range is a typical predraw pat going to look like?

I understand that it will vary from opponent to opponent, but are there people that patting a T with is going to be good? what about a rough 9 (98654) vs a smooth 9 (97532)

I would pretty much always break a Txxxx hand with 3 draws to go unless it's pretty much literally T98xx. 98654 I wouldn't break but 7532x is actually ahead of 97532 with 3 draws to go so I'd definitely break that. I don't think I'd ever break an 8x headsup, but most 9x and almost all Tx. Same goes for 3 or 4-card hands.

Time Link to 00:20:40

Jeroen here,

This sure was a fun match to play. I was wondering what's the worst hand you draw to in this spot with 1 draw to come. 2349x seems standard for me but when it gets even rougher I start to doubt weither or not to call and draw.

And then I have questions about the spot where both players draw 2 on the turn. What do here out of position with things like: 3459x, 34610x etc. and what do you do if you get raised there.
And what do you do in position with these hands when checked to and then when you get checkraised.

Oh and that hand at start where I drew 2 on the river I did see some low cards. The main reason is this tho:
After I check on the turn when I drew 2 vs you drawing 3 and I check I figured I'm just always supposed to fold there. I thought Vingtcent is smart enough to know this and just bet his full range. Hope this makes any sense.
[edit] Even if this makes sense I suppose I'd be better of betting out myself unimproved.

Worst hand to draw there would be about 9432, if it gets much rougher I'll usually just fold.

3459x is a clear bet/call & draw for me, 346T I just c/f and draw 1 or 2 if checked through depending on how important I feel balance to be at that point in time.

I wouldn't worry too much about getting exploited there, you could c/r any pat hand you get there so it's not too bad to just c/f there. I would definitely only bet if I improved 2 or 3 cards.

you could c/r any pat hand you get there so it's not too bad to just c/f there. I would definitely only bet if I improved 2 or 3 cards.

If you only bet when you improve to a pat or to drawing 1, checkraising pathands isnt profitable is it?

A few important questions:

Can you suggest a way for my avatar to better soul read people? Should I add eye balls? I'm just not sure where they'd fit...
Best recipe for vegetable soup?
When you go "biiink!" and then lose the pot, do you feel more or less foolish than when you go "scoooop!" playing a split pot game and actually get quartered? For me I think "biiink" is more disheartening because I gave myself false hope.

I really enjoyed the ep, keep up the good work .

Also some less important questions:
I noticed in the HU match villain didn't seem to be c/r rivers often enough, either as a bluff or for value. Agree/disagree? Also is the proper counter adjustment there to start betting rivers thinner and sort of merging our bluffing/vbetting ranges or are we just putting ourself in a spot to light bets on fire if we do that. It seems like if we are never getting c/r we can bet a lot of very thin hands for value which will allow us to turn more of our bricks into bluffs, but I have way less experience at HU27.

If you only bet when you improve to a pat or to drawing 1, checkraising pathands isnt profitable is it?

Yeah I thought this was 2:2 instead of 2:3, but still at 2:3 this is a situation where if checked to I'd bet some very very rough 1 card draws knowing I have a lot of fold equity. But maybe that's a spot where you can c/r half your pat hands and donk the rest if you want to be balanced (you could bet/3bet #1, c/r #2, bet/3bet #3, etc) and at the same time not lose value if you're worried about being exploited.

A few important questions:

Can you suggest a way for my avatar to better soul read people? Should I add eye balls? I'm just not sure where they'd fit...
Best recipe for vegetable soup?
When you go "biiink!" and then lose the pot, do you feel more or less foolish than when you go "scoooop!" playing a split pot game and actually get quartered? For me I think "biiink" is more disheartening because I gave myself false hope.

In general avatars that refer to something which has a certain mystique about it (this avatar is from the Fear of a blank planet album by Porcupine tree) are going to give people the chills and make them fear you in general. Progressive rock/metal bands are the nuts for these type of things.

Brocolli soup is amazing soup-wise. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to give away my mothers recipe.

I don't think I've ever yelled SCOOOOP and got quartered, then again I have trouble reading the board in most split pot games. I've definitely "binked" and gotten crushed a fair amount though. Part of the job (can't be too conservative with your binks or you'll be very exploitable, they'll know you have it when you shout out BINK)

I really enjoyed the ep, keep up the good work .

Also some less important questions:
I noticed in the HU match villain didn't seem to be c/r rivers often enough, either as a bluff or for value. Agree/disagree? Also is the proper counter adjustment there to start betting rivers thinner and sort of merging our bluffing/vbetting ranges or are we just putting ourself in a spot to light bets on fire if we do that. It seems like if we are never getting c/r we can bet a lot of very thin hands for value which will allow us to turn more of our bricks into bluffs, but I have way less experience at HU27.

In such a bluffheavy session where you want to be able to donk your bluffs it's going to be very tough to c/r strong hands and still donk out your bluffs. On the other hand you might want to do more c/r'ing when you suspect the other guy is snowing with your strong hands. But I'm silly enough to attempt bluffraises etc so I think a strategy of donking and c/c'ing is probably better against me. C/r bluff is twice as expensive as a donk bluff and you'll have hands good enough to c/r for value rarely so it's pretty tough to balance that out.

I definitely both snow and valuebet superthinly in HU matches, but merging with like a T or a jack is something that's just silly and lighting bets on fire. Once we start to do that we're betting pretty much 100% of rivers in which case it becomes ridiculously easy to c/r us with a superthin range and as bluffs, which is something we do not want to have happen.

Time Link to 00:02:00

Do you expect the c/r to work here enough to be valueable in its own or are you taking metagame into account as well?

Do you expect the c/r to work here enough to be valueable in its own or are you taking metagame into account as well?

If someone is capable of bet/folding I love showing them a bluff early on in the match in a spot where they never expect it so they have to be paranoid in all kinds of situations. If that doesn't work then I win the pot which is even better. Also 77xxx is perfect to do it with as he will have less 7s and therefore more 8s and 9s which are potential candidates for bet/folding. Also he struck me early on as the type that might snow and I win extra vs his snows as I doubt he'd 3bet bluff me here.

Of course now I'm making it sound like an awesome play but the downside is obviously losing 2 bets a decent amount of the time. I think whether that'd be a good move depends a lot on the rest of your gameplan.

Just finished reviewing this video again to refresh myself on heads up play. I had a couple questions about predraw ranges.

You discussed your Btn/SB opening range, but didn't really discuss your BB defending range much. I got a fairly good idea just watching the video, but am still a bit curious on a few hands. I assume your defending 83/73/63. I saw you defend 6555x, then 775xx. Is the extra dead card enough to defend a hand like 75xxx or 54xxx against a competent opponent? Also, I saw you raising drawing to 964xx OTB, are these weaker 2-c 9 draws in your BB defense range as well? Whats the worst 2-card draws your defending in the BB?

On the button, I saw you draw to 965/964/963 predraw, but also on one occasion drop the 9 with 963 predraw (with our opponent just calling in the BB). I also saw you draw to 74 w 974xx predraw. I'm curious what range of 3-card hands your keeping the 9 with, and what range of hands you prefer to drop the 9 with.

Also, you were always continuing with marg 2 card draws like 875xx unimproved inPos & OOP after the 1st draw, but folding most good 3-c draws like 52xxx in the same spot. Personally, I feel like 52xxx is a slightly better hand than say 875xx, could you discuss why you prefer to fold these hands unimproved after the 1st draw?

Finally, I don't think I ever really saw you turn a really marginal 1-card draw into a snow on the 2nd or 3rd draw inPos or OOP. I saw some things with turning like rough pat Ts into bluffs in stuff or snowing in spots where you drew 2. I guess what I'm trying to say is do ever just turn a hand like 9864x into a snow if it goes say 1 : (1) on the turn and our opponent checks? What about the same situation OOP? Maybe you did and just didn't remember the specific case.

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