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Poker Video: Omaha/Omaha 8 by Joe Tall (Mid Stakes)

I already feel like I'm the best player as soon as I sit down in 5/10 games on FTP randomly after watching this vid.

I already feel like I'm the best player as soon as I sit down in 5/10 games on FTP randomly after watching this vid.

With this simple vid and your general poker sense, you can now beat a typical 5/10 online game, I would say.

BTW there is a pic of one of our members in this video. Check out the coaching profile, watch the video, you might see it!

wow, very nice intro video,
I wanted to ask you why doesn't Omaha 8 or PL 8 have as many players online as in Holdem?

What do you think is the key difference in Omaha 8 vs PL 8? & does Omaha PL 8 need a bigger bankroll than the general NLH 20-25 buyins?

Thanks

Hi Joe

At 30:17 you say only continue to scoop or at least decent nut draw both ways.

How about when you only have the HI locked only because you have no low cards in your hand......ex

my hand = Ks Th 3d Qs

f= As Qd 9s

t= As Qd 9s 5s

in this situation raising the turn rather than calling would be the best play since my hand will at least win 1/2 if a baby comes on river?

thank you

wow, very nice intro video,
I wanted to ask you why doesn't Omaha 8 or PL 8 have as many players online as in Holdem?

What do you think is the key difference in Omaha 8 vs PL 8? & does Omaha PL 8 need a bigger bankroll than the general NLH 20-25 buyins?

Thanks

Very glad you enjoyed the video.

People fear Omaha, standard fear of the unknown, and it "looks" complicated. But the games are good regardless. I would say that BR is plenty for PLO8, if not less is needed since the variance is lower.

Hi Joe, I played about 15k-20k hands of Omaha 8 before starting my project with Rob late last year. At the time I was adhering pretty strictly to Steve Hutchinson's point system to determine what starting hands I could play.

I'm wondering if you're familiar with the system and if you'd be willing to comment on it's validity. I think one weakness is that it tends to overvalue high cards when they're danglers. For example, a hand of 234J (no suits) is valued at 23 points, while 2349 (no suits) is valued at 21, but the two seem to be basically the same hand to me.

I'd also be interested to hear if you think the system overvalues non not suitedness. For example, Jx adds two points to your hand, but if a donk hold 'em player only gets in trouble when they make their jack high flush then it almost seems that we'd be better off disregarding this feature (or even counting it as negative two). I know the real answer is 'don't draw to a jack high flush - you should have other reasons for being in the hand,' but I'd be curious to hear your thoughts nonetheless.

Mike,

Stick to Ray Zee's list in his Hi/Low book. If you dont have it, you must get it before you play another hand of O8.

-Joe

Thanks Joe.

Fortunately, I do have that book, and have read the O8 section. I studied a fair amount from that book, the section in Super System 2, and on gergery's site before I began playing. But I will definitely look to delve in a little more deeply before I pick the game back up.

I really enjoyed this video, Joe.

I really enjoyed this video, Joe.

The series was written specifically for Holdem Players to get a start in playing other games, I hope you enjoy them.

thanks for this video Joe! really helpful!

can you recommand me any other books/resources i should read/watch before i start playing omaha08 at 25-50 cents level?

Thanks!

thanks for this video Joe! really helpful!

can you recommand me any other books/resources i should read/watch before i start playing omaha08 at 25-50 cents level?

Thanks!

What's the series "Make the Jack a Four" by danzasmack.

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Hey Joe, in your example, you mention that nines are an "equity black hole." But, with the two aces, one a brick, what if the four card is suited to one of the aces? Would you still consider the hand unplayable?