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Poker Video: Stud/Stud 8 by Joe Tall (High Stakes)

Time Link to 00:02:40

I really don't like stealing with T33 with a dead 3 in the bring. We often get in tough spots if we're called. If there wasn't a dead 3 and the bringin was a 2 I would like it better.

What do you do if the bring calls and he catches a low and we catch a low? Gotta keep betting right? I feel like it just puts us in too many spots where we are forced to bet knowing we are in bad shape. Ideally if we get called, the bring or other player will brick off and we take it down or we successfully steal, but in these games I don't think you are stealing too often with two low cards left, they are aggressive games and people will 3 bet you with medium pairs.

What do you do if the bring calls and he catches a low and we catch a low? Gotta keep betting right?

You certainly do not have to keep betting.

Time Link to 00:29:01

Interesting hand and awesome discussion. The lead here blows my mind but makes a lot of sense after you explain it.

Assuming villain hits same cards on 5th st. how much changes if we don't improve and/or don't pick up another club? Like if we brick with say a 5 I assume we're not continuing, but what about like a 9 or a 2?

I used to play a bunch of stud8 but gave it up for PLO a while back. this vid has definitely peaked my interest again. thanks!

You certainly do not have to keep betting.

so you would check fold 4th if you both caught well or c/c to 5th? then same question on 5th? I just feel the T kicker makes the playability of the hand really bad and not worth the steal. If you had a low instead of the T I def like stealing.

I am always thankful for more stud8 content. I honestly have no idea if I am a winning or losing stud8 player, but the EV of a deuces cracked t shirt is totally worth learning the game.

so you would check fold 4th if you both caught well or c/c to 5th? then same question on 5th? I just feel the T kicker makes the playability of the hand really bad and not worth the steal. If you had a low instead of the T I def like stealing.

It really depends on what the xx3 catches, and what we catch. If we catch an Ace, and he catches an offsuit 8, I would say we should be to set up a fold on 5th, if he catches a suited 4, and we catch the offsuit 8, by all means c/f.

Interesting hand and awesome discussion. The lead here blows my mind but makes a lot of sense after you explain it.

Assuming villain hits same cards on 5th st. how much changes if we don't improve and/or don't pick up another club? Like if we brick with say a 5 I assume we're not continuing, but what about like a 9 or a 2?

I used to play a bunch of stud8 but gave it up for PLO a while back. this vid has definitely peaked my interest again. thanks!

If he catches the same brick, Qx, and we catch the 5h ,we should probably still bet, he has to have a PERFECT hand in the hole for him to raise us, if we catch the 9, we have trip 9s showing and are full, we bet of course, 2 is same as 5 which both are nearly the same as the Ace, vs the Qx.

It's a good stop and go like play, 6th street only, go get value out of what is likely one pair and 4-low.

If he catches the same brick, Qx, and we catch the 5h ,we should probably still bet, he has to have a PERFECT hand in the hole for him to raise us, if we catch the 9, we have trip 9s showing and are full, we bet of course, 2 is same as 5 which both are nearly the same as the Ace, vs the Qx.

It's a good stop and go like play, 6th street only, go get value out of what is likely one pair and 4-low.

sorry I guess I wasn't clear. I was asking about 5th street. if instead of a 9 we pick up some other option

Time Link to 00:23:37

I think considering allin equity and saying its a coinflip and the playability of your hand is bad, so its a fold, is not a good approach

That's because in 4th and 5th street you are going to fold the jacks if the opponent catches very good (for example an ace or a low card of the same suit or pairs his door card) and you don't improve. In 4th and 5th the equities are going to change a lot and you can make a much more informed decision, if you reach 5th you are not going to the showdown if you have unimproved jacks and the opponent shows three low cards, usually.

Considering this, you don't even need 50% allin equity. And with all the dead money it's even more incentive to play.

very great video overall!

Time Link to 00:22:29

All JsB|Jd are not created equal. You are counting 2 combos of trips (JsJc and JsJh), as well as 11 combos of JsA, JsK, and JsQ in the hole (one K is dead). Once you add in JsM that is another ~13 kickers, or combos (16 total, 3 dead). With so few combos in total, the high equity of trips has a significant impact on the equity of the range.

When you add in the JT and J9 you make a small error in accounting. You are not specifying the suit of the J and this causes these combinations to massively influence the total equity of the range. There are now three times as many JT and J9 combos as, for example, JsA combos being counted. Adding in so many combos of "junkier" kicker dilutes the impact of the stronger hands in your range, and thus reduces the overall equity of the range.

Time Link to 00:40:19

Would you play JJA, QQA and KKA with all the broadways dead on 3rd? It seems to me that you should because in stud8 a big pair and a big 2pair are usually close in value versus a low-draw (they either make the low, make their straight+ draw and only very rarely make a small two-pair to beat your pair of kings).

Would you play JJA, QQA and KKA with all the broadways dead on 3rd? It seems to me that you should because in stud8 a big pair and a big 2pair are usually close in value versus a low-draw (they either make the low, make their straight+ draw and only very rarely make a small two-pair to beat your pair of kings).

Yes, I would, your thinking is correct.

I think considering allin equity and saying its a coinflip and the playability of your hand is bad, so its a fold, is not a good approach

That's because in 4th and 5th street you are going to fold the jacks if the opponent catches very good (for example an ace or a low card of the same suit or pairs his door card) and you don't improve. In 4th and 5th the equities are going to change a lot and you can make a much more informed decision, if you reach 5th you are not going to the showdown if you have unimproved jacks and the opponent shows three low cards, usually.

Considering this, you don't even need 50% allin equity. And with all the dead money it's even more incentive to play.

Yes, I can agree.

IMO I feel you are saying, "That's because in 4th and 5th street you are going to fold the jacks if the opponent catches very good (for example an ace or a low card of the same suit or pairs his door card) and you don't improve." you are saying the same thing about the J/J playability.