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Easy Squeezy

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Seat 4 was playing probably 25-30% of hands and I wouldn't call him either passive or aggressive, just in the middle. He was losing in the session and was a shortstack. He had already shown a willingness to gamble with his current stack.

Seat 5 I knew from lower limits as quite tight passive, like 15% VPIP. At this limit he was still playing very tight, but much more aggressive when in a hand.

Full Tilt Poker $8/$16 Limit Stud $1.50 Ante - 6 players - View hand 893052
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3rd Street: (1.125 SB)
Seat 3: xx xx 3 Diamond____Seat 3 folds
Seat 4: xx xx 7 Club____Seat 4 completes____Seat 4 calls
Seat 5: xx xx 9 Spade____Seat 5 raises
Hero: 2 Club T Diamond T Spade___Hero calls
Seat 7: xx xx Q Diamond____Seat 7 folds
Seat 8: xx xx 3 Club____Seat 8 brings in for $2____Seat 8 folds

4th Street: (7.375 SB) (3 players)
Seat 4: xx xx 7 Club 6 Club____Seat 4 calls
Seat 5: xx xx 9 Spade 5 Club____Seat 5 calls
Hero: 2 Club T Diamond T Spade 2 Heart___Hero bets

5th Street: (5.188 BB) (3 players)
Seat 4: xx xx 7 Club 6 Club 2 Diamond____Seat 4 calls all in
Seat 5: xx xx 9 Spade 5 Club K Diamond____Seat 5 bets
Hero: 2 Club T Diamond T Spade 2 Heart J Diamond___Hero calls

6th Street: (7.344 BB) (3 players - 1 is all in)
Seat 4: xx xx 7 Club 6 Club 2 Diamond 5 Spade
Seat 5: xx xx 9 Spade 5 Club K Diamond 6 Spade____Seat 5 bets
Hero: 2 Club T Diamond T Spade 2 Heart J Diamond K Heart___Hero checks___Hero calls

7th Street: (9.344 BB) (3 players - 1 is all in)
Seat 4: xx xx 7 Club 6 Club 2 Diamond 5 Spade xx
Seat 5: xx xx 9 Spade 5 Club K Diamond 6 Spade xx____Seat 5 bets
Hero: 2 Club T Diamond T Spade 2 Heart J Diamond K Heart A Heart___Hero checks___Hero calls

I'll just let you guys comment without my thoughts first.

Posted over 1 year ago

rubbishaka80

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3rd 3bet or fold. I would tend to fold, because you have no kicker and might be beat some of the time or not too far ahead most of the time. Calling is bad, because you have a hand that doesn't fare well multiway.

4th as played, I like a check-call, just because Seat 4 won't fold for 2bets. The plan is to check-raise 5th.

5th raise. You have the best hand here most of the time.

6th you should bet after having raised on 5th. As played, check-raise.

7th is fine.

Posted over 1 year ago

RustyBrooks

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So first I'll comment about the hand as it was played:
* against a tight passive player, your hand is probably toast here on 3rd
* Having called 3rd and donked 4th, your opponent should believe that the 2 improved you, either to exactly TT22 or 222. A bet does not make sense from you otherwise.
* So when he leads 5th, this means the K helped him, probably. The only form of help that makes sense is KKK or KK98 or very unlikely he has K5s down. Either way your Ts up is toast and you're not getting odds to chase, the hand probably needs to end here

So, folding 3rd is an option if your opponent really is 15% vpip. Having not folded, raising is probably better than calling. There's a section in 7csfap for playing HU against a likely buried pair, read and apply it if he 3bets you (you call if he 3bets). If he 3bets you'll be calling 4th and 5th if he doesn't make a visible pair and raising 6th if you make 2 pair and he has not. The K throws a bit of a wrench in there but since he could easiy have TT-AA we can't automatically give him credit for KKK if the hand plays out this way.

If you call 3rd then I agree that you should wait to raise until at least 5th. You are not that far ahead, he's never folding an overpair, and it announces your hand a little too clearly.

Posted over 1 year ago

Easy Squeezy

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* against a tight passive player, your hand is probably toast here on 3rd.


He was playing tight aggressively at this level, I was just mentioning that he had been tight passive at lower limits in previous meetings.

I wish I would have included some more info for you guys earlier that I neglected, but I feel is important in the hand:
1. Seat 5 had gambled with seat 4 about 5 hands previously as the BI with a rather liberal hand HU(and lost). Because of that I would definitely put seat 5's range as anything that beats 77 and possibly worse if he was just looking to isolate and gamble with the SS for round #2.
2. Seat 4 had less than 2BBs and I expected him to call no matter what, so no chance of HU unless I RR and seat 5 folds, which I also see little chance of.

I'm sorry I missed this in my OP and wonder if any of this info changes things for you guys?

For what its worth, I definitely agree that 4th is a check-call. That was a mistake on my part to bet out and I'm really not sure what I was thinking at the time. Let's just assume for the rest of the discussion I did check-call 4th.

5th raise. You have the best hand here most of the time.


I feel that my 2 pair isn't super strong. If I RR on 5th, am I possibly putting myself in a situation where I have the bottom end of my range? What are you doing if we are 3 bet on 5th?

This is a quote from Cottonseed1 that I like regarding a previous hand I posted:

I think 5th is worth discussion. Raising 5th seems analogous to raising for a free showdown in HU pots in LHE i.e it is just not often worth it.

IF we are ahead on 5th our opponent is going to have good equity with all the hands he continues with. Why not let our opponent keep the lead and simply call him down here and possible induce some bluffs?


This is roughly what I was thinking while just calling from 5th on. I felt like I had the top end of my calling range. This would allow me to get value against hands I am ahead of and lose the least against hands I am behind.

Not that any of this is right or wrong...its just where my head was at during the hand.

Posted over 1 year ago

rubbishaka80

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I wish I would have included some more info for you guys earlier that I neglected, but I feel is important in the hand:
1. Seat 5 had gambled with seat 4 about 5 hands previously as the BI with a rather liberal hand HU(and lost). Because of that I would definitely put seat 5's range as anything that beats 77 and possibly worse if he was just looking to isolate and gamble with the SS for round #2.
2. Seat 4 had less than 2BBs and I expected him to call no matter what, so no chance of HU unless I RR and seat 5 folds, which I also see little chance of.



If you can't get it HU, just fold. You hand is just too weak.

I feel that my 2 pair isn't super strong. If I RR on 5th, am I possibly putting myself in a situation where I have the bottom end of my range? What are you doing if we are 3 bet on 5th?

This is a quote from Cottonseed1 that I like regarding a previous hand I posted:

This is roughly what I was thinking while just calling from 5th on. I felt like I had the top end of my calling range. This would allow me to get value against hands I am ahead of and lose the least against hands I am behind.

Not that any of this is right or wrong...its just where my head was at during the hand.



Notice, how you are not comfortable raising 5th with Tens up, but you were perfectly content playing this hand on 3rd. Seat 5s range hasn't changed.

If you get 3bet on 5th, you should probably fold. You get rarely bluffed in this spot and you are drawing to 3 outs if behind.

You won't be inducing a lot of bluffs by check-calling, the all-in player protects the pot.

Posted over 1 year ago

Easy Squeezy

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* Having called 3rd and donked 4th, your opponent should believe that the 2 improved you, either to exactly TT22 or 222. A bet does not make sense from you otherwise.
* So when he leads 5th, this means the K helped him, probably. The only form of help that makes sense is KKK or KK98 or very unlikely he has K5s down. Either way your Ts up is toast and you're not getting odds to chase, the hand probably needs to end here.


Do you think some opponents could be donking a naked TT on 4th with seat 5 bricking? It seems like I see it sometimes.

Do you think that seat 5 could be betting 5th with naked KK here? Like maybe he started with
KSpade xSpade.(I'm not trying to set you up on this one, so I'll tell you this was his actual holding.)

Do you think that seat 5 could be betting 5th with buried AA with live 2 pair outs?

I'm not trying to disagree with you here, just pick your brain a little more.

Posted over 1 year ago

Joe Tall

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If he's playing that tight, you should likely fold as you have no kicker and not backdoors w/your T/T. But, if you are going to play it, 3-bet and try to get it HU. I cannot imagine you being beat on 5th, looks like a raise here.

Posted over 1 year ago




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